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Post by dirtyid »

int_19h wrote: post #90
dirtyid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is next level global hyper-power. PRC only seeks to be regional hegemony / super power, i.e. pacing power. PLAN has enough ships and replenishment fleet to project to Djibouti/ME oil without issue for years. Not enough to go toe-to-toe with USN yet, but enough for anything else. Training is just focused on securing SCS right now. Within context post WW2 westphalia sovereignty construct PRC has right to finish…

> Interests of 1.4B PRC outweighs 24m on TW. If Russia decides to annex e.g. Ukraine in its entirety tomorrow, do the interests of 146 million Russians outweigh the interests of 41 million Ukrainians? It doesn't really work that way. (Not to mention that the government of PRC is not exactly representative.)

USSR dissolution and declaration of independence by ex Union states = Russia doesn't have the same legal claims at UN anymore. Whereas PRC has maintained legal claims over ROC at UN, it's still a domestic issues where interests on both sides of the strait matter. So yes, it really does work that way if one subscribes to the Westphalian system that west seems to advocate. Being a representative government has no baring on it. Post war order / UN is based on understanding that countries can do whatever they want domestically. And PRC/TW civil war is dejure a Chinese domestic issue no matter how much people pretend otherwise.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by Fricken »

guywhocodes wrote: post #120
Fricken wrote: post #113

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No difference really. Domestic approval ratings for the CCP are through the roof. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/913650298/as-u-s-views-of-chi...

Yeah I don't know how we could possibly validate that. It's similar to, but not the same as, measuring this in North Korea.

You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by beaunative »

1ris wrote: post #24
beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how? Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

well, i'm talking about recognition as the Chinese state understand it, of course no private organization can "recognize" a state in an official, diplomatic capacity, that's hardly the focal point of my statement. let me know if you have a better word for it. alright.

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Post by jollybean »

Tibet used to be the pet project of Hollywood and US mainstream media, until they were told to shut up about it.

See Google trends [1]

This is a very real influence and it's pervasive due to the fat one side speaks with one, directed voice, the other there's no coordination at all: leaders of nations, provinces, universities, corporations, NGOs, uncoordinated.

[1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=t...

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Post by AussieWog93 »

baybal2 wrote: post #100
AussieWog93 wrote: post #95

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I don't think it's fair to suggest China is "raping" the West. Hong Kong, maybe, but not the entire democratic world. At least, not yet.

It is indeed raping the whole free world. It indulges inflicting this humiliation, and seeing the whole world seeing the West being so powerless about it.

Insisting that the world use specific doublespeak about a sensitive issue is not rape - nor is it really all that humiliating.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by AussieWog93 »

dirtyid wrote: post #43
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30

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> a hard time coping with pacing non-white super power One, regional power. Emerging superpower. But still lacking long-distance force projection capability. Two, share of global population doesn’t give one the right to invade and subjugate a free population. Taiwan isn’t China. It doesn’t want to be China. The world has a definite interest in protecting it.

The US is next level global hyper-power. PRC only seeks to be regional hegemony / super power, i.e. pacing power. PLAN has enough ships and replenishment fleet to project to Djibouti/ME oil without issue for years. Not enough to go toe-to-toe with USN yet, but enough for anything else. Training is just focused on securing SCS right now. Within context post WW2 westphalia sovereignty construct PRC has right to finish…

>Interests of 1.4B PRC outweighs 24m on TW.

And 4 out of 5 participants enjoy gang rape. It doesn't make it morally right.

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Post by Glyptodon »

epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

Does it really matter if they get anything right when they committing genocide against the Uighurs, ignoring their treaty obligations, and trying to make the whole world follow their lead in censorship and undermining any aspirations to an impartiality before and equality under the law? It's plain "whataboutism" not any different than folks being impressed with Nazi Germany before WWII. Which isn't to say that the "west" is perfect or good, or not stooping in the same direction as China. Obviously nationalism in the west is a problem, too, but I don't see that as a reason to give one of the most bellicose and thin-skinned nations on earth a pass.

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Post by wolverine876 »

lelandfe wrote: post #69
satao wrote: post #67

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It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize that they are being propagandized. - Elmer Davis, director of the US Office of War Information

Where is that quote from? I don't want to ironically get caught by propaganda (or misinformation) myself.

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Post by yostrovs »

Fricken wrote: post #122
guywhocodes wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't know how we could possibly validate that. It's similar to, but not the same as, measuring this in North Korea.

You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

It is against the law to criticize the CCP in China. What mechanism did the pollsters and researchers use to overcome that?

Moreover, as with democracy, it is more than having the right to vote. It is also the right to know what your elected representatives are up to and what the state of the nation is. So if you ask people thoroughly drowning in state enforced propaganda from an early age what they think about something, you'll usually get what the propaganda machine told them to think.

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Post by jhedwards »

epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

> I wonder if Americans/Westerners are capable of acknowledging the things that their countries get wrong

I feel like this is practically a sport in America. We love to criticize the government and everything it does wrong. That's part of democracy: the fact that Trump was voted out was very much a collective "we fucked up/this is wrong" where we decided to go a different path. In China, on the other hand, that is not allowed. We certainly do have issues in the US, but a lack to self-criticism does not count among them

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