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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by twofornone »

jjulius wrote: post #8
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #6

One can connect the dots between this, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session and rampant cancel culture now prevalent in the US. Let this article connect some of those dots: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... And just on today's front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28817721 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/why-latest...

I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat?

Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers?

Edit: here's one of the first search results for "blm struggle session" but I have about a hundred gb of similar footage, including literal communist recruitment via megaphone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtvgNfdyMo. I'd be happy to upload a torrent since so much of the footage has literally been wiped from the internet.

Edit: oh, and how could I forget the "diversity [re]education" camps that white male (and only white male) employees have been coerced into attending, including executives at a diverse assortment of companies like Lockheed Martin and Coca Cola, where participants are asked to list all the ways in which their whiteness is problematic. If that isn't a struggle session, I don't know what is.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by twofornone »

My only surprise is that China hasn't mentioned the rabidly biased cabal of editors that gatekeep any remotely political article and bully any "non-pc" editors off the platform. Probably because the divisiveness is useful to China's rise, and it wouldn't surprise me if they are behind some of the editing.

It's kind of offensive that wikipedia still has an image of neutrality when the entrenched activist editors refuse to acknowledge the perspective of ≈50% of the country (if turnout from the last two elections is a valid measure of US political alignment).

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by aww_dang »

jjulius wrote: post #10
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... You are welcome. Edit: Parent comment edited. See that.

Given that HN tries to foster discussion, I was hoping that "you would". You know, in your own words. Surely if you feel strongly enough about something, you'd be capable of discussing your viewpoint instead of just dropping a few links at random.

Maybe try asking more pointed questions?

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by aww_dang »

twofornone wrote: post #12

My only surprise is that China hasn't mentioned the rabidly biased cabal of editors that gatekeep any remotely political article and bully any "non-pc" editors off the platform. Probably because the divisiveness is useful to China's rise, and it wouldn't surprise me if they are behind some of the editing. It's kind of offensive that wikipedia still has an image of neutrality when the entrenched activist editors refus…

Wikipedia has always felt like a walled garden for certain topics. The crowd sourcing is a nice window dressing for an end product which can be highly partisan where it matters.

That said, I think you would do well to distinguish between the CCP and China the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by beaunative »

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth.

So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't call their Taiwan ambassador ambassador, but rather director of the American Institute in Taiwan, out of respect of the same policy.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by jbm »

jjulius wrote: post #8
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #6

One can connect the dots between this, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session and rampant cancel culture now prevalent in the US. Let this article connect some of those dots: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... And just on today's front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28817721 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/why-latest...

I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

To try to steelman the argument, I believe the main point can be expressed as follows;

1. China is trying to censor Wikimedia at the world stage for their political purposes

2. Some Social Justice related groups have similar outlooks towards using censorship against their opponents. If we don't stop them, we will have their preferred flavour of censorship imposed on us, with widespread suffering of non-conformers. This will follow the pattern of Communist China during the cultural revolution.

The reason for the deliberate vagueness is that the idea is overly dramatized and only tangentially related to the topic at hand.

We already have the censorship they complain about; it is social mores. Decent people don't use terms derogatory terms towards strangers in public places. They don't scrutinize the background of every Oxy patient in order to determine whether or not they deserve to die.

As for out groups being ostracized from society; well yes? I think that's generally the case everywhere. If you don't fit into the morals of a larger society, you aren't going to have a good time.

The implicit threat, though, is nonsense. Communist China in the 1960s was a complete top-down command society and Mao was using his cult of personality to try to regain influence (potentially influenced by the Gang of Four). Is there anyone in the US who actually has that kind of influence over all of society? If anything, the only person I know who claims influence over a portion of American Society is DJT - and he can't even convince his followers to get vaccinated without getting booed.

I don't really feel much sympathy for the argument.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #9
jjulius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... You are welcome. Edit: Parent comment edited. See that.

Given that the OP was has been flagged into oblivion, I can only guess they were talking about parallelism between the Cultural Revolution in China and the cultural revolution happening right now in the USA and spilling all over several Western countries. One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. This hasn't happened in Western democracies and I very much doubt it would, in a foreseeable future - because the basic sets of values are different.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by aftbit »

twofornone wrote: post #11
jjulius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat? Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers? Edit: here's one of the first search results for "b…

Please do upload a torrent. These videos should be kept alive and present in the discussion to guard against the obvious dangers. Regardless of what you think about disinformation, censorship does not serve our interests. Instead of deleting these videos, they should be hidden behind a clickthrough that provides the missing context.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by orf »

twofornone wrote: post #11
jjulius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat? Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers? Edit: here's one of the first search results for "b…

Do you also have hundreds of gb’s of footage of police brutality against minorities and white supremacy marches? Or is it just footage of minorities struggling against a system that doesn’t work for them?

If so, why?

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