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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by stale2002 »

1ris wrote: post #24
beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how? Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

> no private organisation can "recognize" a state

Yes they can. A private organization could just treat it like a state, in the same way that it treats any other state.

The consequences of that depend on what the organization does.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by cryptonitez »

perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It would really be fun to make a movie about overthrowing the CCP, could be uplifting.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by netflixandkill »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #36
1ris wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how? Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

I have 0 clue why in the 1970s we didn't make it a de jure situation, like with Korea, like with Vietnam. China wanted the UN seat, right? Would they really turn that down because the US insisted on saying some shit about Taiwan? When they were kinda broke and caught between us and Soviets? Did the KMT really not want to give up "Republic of China", even if it meant being relegated to non-country status? Does it even…

The core of the problems is the KMT, who have been the roadblock to resolving this the whole time. Yes, they really were not willing to give anything, and it's black comedy at this point how many of them are in the PRC's pocket under the delusion the CCP will have any use for them at all if unification ever occurs (magic 8 ball says odds not good).

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by mrobot »

I view political articles on Wikimedia's Wikipedia similar to how i view media sources such as Radio Free Asia. There is really nothing democratic or open about the political content you will find there. There are even seemingly obsessive accounts with thousands of edits a day that may just be government or think-tank managed accounts, reinforcing content favorable to US foreign policy goals. I see Wikipedia as kind of a good jump off point to see what the US State Dept and CIA position is on some issue, and then continue my investigation from there.

If everyone googled about what is going on some part of the world, almost all would read the Wikipedia article. If the Wikipedia article differed in any major way from what the Pentagon's goals were, well... you can see how that would be a problem for the Pentagon. If you allow yourself to believe that the goals and movements of the Pentagon are not always grand, you can see how the political content there can more or less act as a weapon of war. Not really an exaggeration to say that, i really don't think...

I feel like a lot of people just aren't catching on to how tightly managed US media is when it comes to "hostile" or "aggressive" actions of others, "democracy", "brutal dictators", etc. in other parts of the world. People are really still ingesting these corporate news sources with anything other than the utmost suspicion.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by CheezeIt »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #56
azernik wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it was personal for the KMT! These were people who had been middle-aged, established bureaucrats and generals in China in 1949.

I really made a mistake making my first sentence "did the KMT really?..." Yes, they did, I know that. KMT have always mostly been shitheads. The more important point is I don't see KMT having any leverage over the US in the 1970s, so it doesn't matter what they think.

So then the U.N. and China both have an empty seat for Taiwan.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by juliangamble »

1ris wrote: post #24
beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how? Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

Look at which airlines have “Chinese Taipei” vs plain old “Taipei”. (Malaysian airlines is not intimidated.) Corporations can and do recognise a state.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by satao »

perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA.

When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by pedrosorio »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2?

Any Russian movies about the US winning the WW2? Naturally each country tells their own narrative. This seems like a silly point to make.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by lelandfe »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.

- Elmer Davis, director of the US Office of War Information

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by CamperBob2 »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Enemy at the Gates is pretty good.
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