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Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by rasengan »

nom wrote: post #27
rasengan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is absolutely binary and taking a hardline approach is absolutely the proper way to protect your privacy. You either actively choose to share information (1) or you don’t (0). The article compares who is sharing what to who — sharing info is sharing, period. A smartphone with all the bells and whistles in 2021 is not private. I stand by my statement, hardline.

I respect your hardline approach but for most people it's a rather soft thing. I want to be able to choose WHO i share my information with and under what conditions. You can argue that once information is shared it's up for grabs by anyone but i argue that this is simply not true, it just feels like that it is. We could do so much better and we should never forget that.

Because security is non-binary - once you share your information, it is up for grabs.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by dtonon »

collsni wrote: post #42

Caylxos is the best alternative to both that I've found. Anyone know of something better?

I didn't test CalyxOS yet but I suggest you to try GrapheneOS, if you have a Pixel. I think it is really well done, the documentation is detailed and the team's attention about security, and so privacy, is rock solid.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by throwawayboise »

nom wrote: post #27
rasengan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is absolutely binary and taking a hardline approach is absolutely the proper way to protect your privacy. You either actively choose to share information (1) or you don’t (0). The article compares who is sharing what to who — sharing info is sharing, period. A smartphone with all the bells and whistles in 2021 is not private. I stand by my statement, hardline.

I respect your hardline approach but for most people it's a rather soft thing. I want to be able to choose WHO i share my information with and under what conditions. You can argue that once information is shared it's up for grabs by anyone but i argue that this is simply not true, it just feels like that it is. We could do so much better and we should never forget that.

> You can argue that once information is shared it's up for grabs by anyone but i argue that this is simply not true

I think it is true. The old saying is that once you tell someone a secret, it's no longer a secret.

The ecosystem around mobile devices is just such that real privacy is impossible. That's not unlike many other things; pretty much any form of communication has this feature to one degree or another. There are just so many third parties and intermediaries involved in mobile platforms that's it's particularly bad.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by hetspookjee »

I’m pretty sure the dark patterns of Android make sure that most regular users share more data than iOS users. For example the Google maps app pretends the location service is broken when it’s simply not having the maximal efficieny with WiFi enabled. Another aspect is the phone itself having their own way. Most Android devices come pre installed with a plethora of tracking apps enabled. So given privacy with Apple I know that I share it exclusively with Apple, while on Android I’m certain it is both the manufacturer and Google.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by YarickR2 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #22
shawnz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, who else besides FAANG has the resources to resist the NSA, at least in small ways?

The Chinese and the Russians. Who wants to buy a Yandex phone?

What's wrong with Yandex phone ?

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by fsflover »

tyingq wrote: post #14

It seems like privacy isn't popular enough to enable a third player in the market. I wonder if "cheap" would be popular enough to make a dent. Like someone churning out de-googled AOSP phones cheap enough to attract market share.

There are third players: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone.

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Post by imwillofficial »

teddyh wrote: post #60
aomobile wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels safer though to pay than to get something for free.

I prefer free friends to those that charge me money to be my friend.

Companies that act like friends don’t last long. Business and pleasure and all that

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #86
tyingq wrote: post #14

It seems like privacy isn't popular enough to enable a third player in the market. I wonder if "cheap" would be popular enough to make a dent. Like someone churning out de-googled AOSP phones cheap enough to attract market share.

There are third players: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone .

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Post by imwillofficial »

smoldesu wrote: post #17
tyingq wrote: post #14

It seems like privacy isn't popular enough to enable a third player in the market. I wonder if "cheap" would be popular enough to make a dent. Like someone churning out de-googled AOSP phones cheap enough to attract market share.

You'd likely attract the ire of some 3-letter-agencies long before you found your market. Even low-volume devices like the Pinephone and Librem have come under fire for potentially including hardware backdoors in newer models. It's a game of cat-and-mouse, where the cat has unlimited resources.

I didn’t know this, could you share some reading on this potential scandal?

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by imwillofficial »

bogwog wrote: post #9
randomperson_24 wrote: post #2

I hope fanboys don't start defending Apple / Google for their privacy measures etc. (esp. Apple) Both platforms are notorious (Apple more so due to its closed nature imo) and defending any is just weird.

Saying that iPhones are secure and private is wishful thinking that benefits nobody but Apple shareholders. There are no doubt some dead journalists and activists that would still be alive today if iPhones truly were secure and/or private.

Name one
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