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Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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This is strange, are we even reading the same front page? ( I am pretty sure HN dont have personalised front page ) I just ran through the first 100 Front page times and there are barely any business related news. I also dont see how the community here sometimes tilts more towards business than technology. Other than some rare news on another Unicorn, Public Listing, earning from FAANG. There has rarely been any busi…

You are right, as of the moment of writing this, there is next to no "business news" on the FP right now.

Anecdotally, I would claim that there is a lot more non-tech content during the week, and mostly tech content on the weekends (see for yourself via the "past" link at the top).

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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Discussion fora are usually dominated by a minority. You won't read about the habits, diets and anxieties (housing, options, politics, tools, city life, commute) of people from berlin , moscow , paris, melbourne, while you learn the people, areas and streets of SF by name. HN is a megaphone for globalizing the SV culture.

> You won't read about the habits, diets and anxieties (housing, options, politics, tools, city life, commute) of people from berlin , moscow , paris, melbourne This seems like a non sequitur from your original complaint (not enough obscure tech content). But still, this is not my perception at all. HN gets many fantastic comments from people sharing their perspective of their home location and culture. I’m in Melbou…

> This seems like a non sequitur from your original complaint (not enough obscure tech content).

I don't see that person making that point.

> It’s natural that a lot of the discussion on a tech forum will focus on SV being the place where most of the biggest tech companies are

It isn't from a hacker perspective. Hacker culture is about what you can do yourself. If the homebrew computer club had been the IBM club things might have looked very differently.

> but the real value in HN is the long tail of unique content and comments from all over the world.

The complaint is that it isn't unique but usually the same narrative. You'll find plenty of Europeans on hacker news complaining about Europe. The reality is that most things are easier in Europe than in most of the US. That isn't a hard case to make. It just isn't popular.

> As I mentioned in another comment [1], the “notice-dislike” bias, often mentioned here by dang

That there is a given explanation isn't that surprising. Like when someone thinks there is a political bias on hacker news they always got in response that there can't be one because both left and right thinks there is. But that is just how a liberal bias would look like. Those more to the left would think it's too economically liberal and those more the right would think it's too culturally so. Yet the same explanation continues.

If you look at the front page now most of the technical topics aren't really current. "SSH Tunneling", "HN 15 Years ago", "NSA (2014)", "Lisp", "ScummVM", "V-USB", "Super Mario 64", "Amiga 68000", "Amiga 3000T". Those aren't really topics that requires current knowledge to discuss. On the other hand there are 3 current stories about Facebook. It's hacker nostalgia combined with a SV narrative. Which would be fine if it didn't result in current technical and hacker perspective topics clashing with that narrative.

I do realize that this is meaningless. I don't even read hacker news that much anymore. But there is my 2 cents.

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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> You won't read about the habits, diets and anxieties (housing, options, politics, tools, city life, commute) of people from berlin , moscow , paris, melbourne This seems like a non sequitur from your original complaint (not enough obscure tech content). But still, this is not my perception at all. HN gets many fantastic comments from people sharing their perspective of their home location and culture. I’m in Melbou…

I think I agree with the GP here. A lot of discussion is US centric. Even to the point where people will bring up esoteric Prop-xx legal references and be upvoted as if that is at all relevant in a global context. I don’t believe the 10% number of SV participation. If it really is 10% I want to know the percentage of contributing commenters. For instance, I have seen very little Melbourne centric content at all here.…

> there should be a time period where Australian content dominates

There is absolutely a time window when you’re more likely to see articles about Australia here; late afternoon and evening when people in the US should be asleep (notwithstanding the number of insomniac hackers likely to exist in a country of 330M people).

Recently there have been big discussions about the Vic earthquake, the Vic/NSW pandemic response, the new military alliance, and there are always big discussions about new Australian laws relating to surveillance and tech/media interference.

You won’t get a time where Melbourne or Sydney dominates every day, as there are many other major cities awake during the same time (there are plenty of big stories about Europe during the US quiet period). And big stories about FAANG companies will always get a lot of traffic/discussion as they affect people around the world fairly equally.

> A lot of discussion is US centric

I didn’t and don’t dispute that. But the claim was that content/discussion about/by topics/people elsewhere is almost completely drowned out, which is not accurate. It’s an understandable perception, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny if you look closely at the stories and comments.

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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There's a lot of stuff here about software that doesn't make the front page. I tend to scan the front page first and then go look at what's in the "new" section. There's a lot of good stuff there that doesn't generate a lot of comments that I follow the links provided. I'll come back and leave a comment on some of those. But by the time I do they may be a page or two deeper and not much makes the front page if they h…

I do this too. If there was a simple enhancement I'd like to see to HN, extending how far back you can go on /new, /ask and /show would be it.

/show is currently capping out at only 41 entries, and /ask is 61. Looking at them both it seems the cut off is -48 hours. Extending this to 72 hours would be trivial and prevent older posts ageing off too quick - not everyone looks at those pages every day.

I'm hoping dang has this on his long list of to-do items!

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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If 10% are located in and around one location and the rest are spread around the world, then that would definitely count as 'heavily concentrated' in my book

Sure, you can interpret it that way! But the original complaint seemed to imply that a majority (ie more that 50%) of content/discussion here is about/by Silicon Valley topics/ people. If 90% of usage is outside SV, that leaves plenty of room for content/discussion that is not focused on SV, which is exactly what we see. But let’s not get into a debate about the meaning of vague terms like “heavily” :)

If you think content about your local patch of land on this ball of mud is more interesting to hackers than ideas then you're doing it wrong. I live in California, but one thing I love about night owl Hacker News is that stories about low-level assembly hacks are more likely to reach the front page, because the Russians and Eastern Europeans are online, and they have an appreciation for assembly like it's poetry, and that's simply an attitude that's hard to find around here in California where your colleagues will look at you like you're green if you're not using the latest new-fangled online framework tool created by the startup next door.

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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There was a marked shift many years ago. SV seems to have recruited too many people, so inevitably the discussion shifts to the average worker. It's all about management now, so obscure hacking content will not be upvoted. It has also become too 'corporate' , focused on big tech and funding, and not the indie heroes. The comments have become more personal, in line with the me-culture of the time. This is of course a…

This doesn’t really align with the reality. HN’s audience is not heavily concentrated in Silicon Vally or the U.S. - less than 10% of the audience is based around Silicon Valley [1]. Most discussion about Silicon Valley companies, individuals and culture is critical and negative. At any time there are multiple articles about “obscure hacking” topics on the front page. Right now there are 10, by my count - though othe…

Unscientific and outdated but there were a couple of polls on locations.

In US: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6583918

Which US state: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5222370

Worldwide: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6582647

https://imgur.com/a/xOAvftj for charts https://pastebin.com/77KGTfwe for data

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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And ironically the author became the abusive politician.

I wouldn't say that. He pulled his country out of the very abusive Versaille treaty, had he stopped there he would today be regarded a hero by all sides. I'll leave it at that!

You wouldn't say Hitler was an abusive politician?

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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Perhaps this goes against most commenters here, but I find HN to be an appropriate mix of both that has not changed much with time. Reading that link of Hacker News from 15 years ago feels little different from what it is today. This contrasts dramatically with the Reddit of 10-15 years ago vs what it is like today. Discussion here is also still very high quality. I find it remarkable.

This sounds bad but mild shame helps keep a community working

Any time someone hits out with a pun or whatever comment someone will say "this isn't reddit" and the comment is made hard to read - over time I have to imagine that has helped keep it from becoming reddit

Of course I am also burying the lede a bit. Paid and dedicated (I think?) moderators is an absolute key factor too

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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post #237

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I wouldn't say that. He pulled his country out of the very abusive Versaille treaty, had he stopped there he would today be regarded a hero by all sides. I'll leave it at that!

You wouldn't say Hitler was an abusive politician?

Abusive, yes. Abusive politician, not in the context of what he started with.

Re: It's weird that most of “Hacker” news is dominated by business news

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Try lobste.rs ( https://lobste.rs ) if you want "real" hacker news. They punish non-technical submissions.

They also appear to have no comments (maybe it's a bad day for it, sunday?)

I'm here probably 20% for the link, 80% for the discussion

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