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Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by ufo »

kybernetyk wrote: post #15
Pxtl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

All known cases of post vaccine myocarditis were mild and did not lead to permanent damage.

Also, myocarditis can also be caused byviral infections. We don't know the exact numbers, because it is hard to diagnose myocarditis if the person is already sick with something else at the same time. However, there is the hypothesis that the risk might be the same for people who get a covid infection, or perhaps even higher.

The same thing also applies to blood clots.

> It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor.

Health agencies all around the world all agree over this. The great benefits of vaccination outweigh the minuscle risks.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by peteradio »

Pxtl wrote: post #17

Well yeah, the problem with Delta is that it's so infectious that the tiny fraction of kids that face real risk is still a huge number as an absolute value. https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/144680575939271... > Now a top trending killer in kids 5-14: #DeltaVariant. > Surging from near 0% in June to now ~8% of deaths in kids 5-14 are #COVID19 in September. Some of those kids can get the shots, and should.

I'd need to see the data backing that figure. I'm pretty sure it's percentage of some subset of deaths related to respiratory disease in particular rather than all causes of deaths like gun shots etc. Unfortunately thats a deeply misleading statistic in that context because it says that Covid is only a small portion of all respiratory related illness among children and yet you are using it in the reverse.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by op00to »

Pxtl wrote: post #13
peteradio wrote: post #2

Double-whammy article, second title: Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Or heart inflammation.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by op00to »

kybernetyk wrote: post #15
Pxtl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

You are far more likely to get heart problems that stem from systemic inflammation from an infection like COVID than a vaccination. But you already knew that, you just choose to harp on an opposing viewpoint.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by MauranKilom »

bsaul wrote: post #27

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side. This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it.. On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representat…

Ironic how it's not only our own bodies destroying themselves due to COVID, but also our society overall...

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by glogla »

Pxtl wrote: post #25
tomp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone seriously arguing both against the vaccine and pro infection? People are just saying (and science confirms) that previously infected shouldn't be discriminated against or forced to vaccinate.

There have been literal COVID parties as anti-vaxxers try to get immunity the natural way. The moral hazard of legitimizing natural immunity is very real. Yes the biological science shows that natural antibodies work well, but social science tells us what dumb people will do it that's supported as a solution.

The natural antibodies work well _if you get them_.

That need you to be infected badly enough your body created the long-term ones (so not complete asymptomatic), and also not badly enough you die or get long covid (which by the way some measure at 50 % infected having in some form - but it's hard to say especially since long covid is not well defined).

Which while might theoretically be true for individuals, it is too unreliable to make a policy of it.

EDIT: but yes, you're right, people (whether they are bad actors spreading misinformation willingly or stupid plague rats believing them) will catch on that and claim they don't need the vaccine then.

Just like they caught on "vaccinated people can still get covid!" - sure they can, it is just two orders of magnitude less likely.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by op00to »

kybernetyk wrote: post #28
glogla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?

It’s bullshit because the risk for heart complications is higher if you get COVID than if you get the shot. This is simple math.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by [deleted] »

kybernetyk wrote: post #15
Pxtl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

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Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by op00to »

peteradio wrote: post #32
Pxtl wrote: post #17

Well yeah, the problem with Delta is that it's so infectious that the tiny fraction of kids that face real risk is still a huge number as an absolute value. https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/144680575939271... > Now a top trending killer in kids 5-14: #DeltaVariant. > Surging from near 0% in June to now ~8% of deaths in kids 5-14 are #COVID19 in September. Some of those kids can get the shots, and should.

I'd need to see the data backing that figure. I'm pretty sure it's percentage of some subset of deaths related to respiratory disease in particular rather than all causes of deaths like gun shots etc. Unfortunately thats a deeply misleading statistic in that context because it says that Covid is only a small portion of all respiratory related illness among children and yet you are using it in the reverse.

HAR HAR HAR ID NEED TO SEE A LOT MORE DEAD CHILDREN BEFORE I CAN MAKE A REAL INFORMED DECISION

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by bryanlarsen »

GaryTang wrote: post #8
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with infection to provide immunity is its variability, not its strength. It's kind of moot anyways, infection + vaccine is better than just an infection.

What do you mean the variability?

The average immune response to infection is good. But for some it's great and for others it is poor.
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