Delta does not appear to make children sicker • Hacker News Board

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by ramchip » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

angelzen wrote: post #12

afavour wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s science supposed to be contradicting here? The article says Delta doesn’t make kids sick er than other variants, not that it doesn’t make them sick at all. A shot is still going to be preferable to an infection because it isn’t communicable.

Kids have vanishingly small risk of covid death, 1%-2% of the already vanishingly small risk of death for kids. The article confirms that the 'long covid in kids' fearmongering is also unwarranted. Given that surviving an infection also provides better long term protection (99.9995% of children survive covid), and that an infection later in life becomes significantly more dangerous, it raises big questions over the s…

Isn't the point protecting the adults? The kids will mostly survive even if they get the virus, but they can infect their relatives, teachers, etc.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by wizard-beta » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

glogla wrote: post #16

kybernetyk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

Not an argument

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by adolph » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #4

wizard-beta wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shhhh... don't let science get in the way of the ongoing power grab by the surveillance state and the ongoing money grab by big pharma

What’s science supposed to be contradicting here? The article says Delta doesn’t make kids sick er than other variants, not that it doesn’t make them sick at all. A shot is still going to be preferable to an infection because it isn’t communicable.

I think the comments author was referring to the socio-political response of some locales to the virus. Over the summer in the US there was quite a bit of media coverage of pediatricians’ editorials and heightened coverage of children’s hospitals. That is just my impression as a person who doesn’t keep daily watch and count of things.

I can see how a knee jerk reaction to the apparent discordance would be to discount either the early coverage or the research. If one takes a breath to think, the two are not mutually exclusive since something not worse for the population overall could also be substantially worse for a subset of the population.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by glogla » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

rafale wrote: post #6

peteradio wrote: post #2

Double-whammy article, second title: Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot

If the immune response is comparable to that of a fully vaccinated person, we should be issuing "immunization cards" to people who have recovered. The goal is to control the disease, not the people.

That makes no sense logistically - the test to accurately measure that the people indeed have the antibodies in sufficient strength is more expensive than the vaccine - and now you have to distribute both instead of just one. It's not worth it.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by Pxtl » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #18

Pxtl wrote: post #13

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Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.

Is anyone seriously arguing both against the vaccine and pro infection? People are just saying (and science confirms) that previously infected shouldn't be discriminated against or forced to vaccinate.

There have been literal COVID parties as anti-vaxxers try to get immunity the natural way.

The moral hazard of legitimizing natural immunity is very real. Yes the biological science shows that natural antibodies work well, but social science tells us what dumb people will do it that's supported as a solution.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by adolph » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:17 PM UTC

tootie wrote: post #19

angelzen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids have vanishingly small risk of covid death, 1%-2% of the already vanishingly small risk of death for kids. The article confirms that the 'long covid in kids' fearmongering is also unwarranted. Given that surviving an infection also provides better long term protection (99.9995% of children survive covid), and that an infection later in life becomes significantly more dangerous, it raises big questions over the s…

It's unbelievable that this far into the pandemic people are still making this argument. It has been known from near the beginning that the direct risk to kids is relatively small. The risk is secondary exposure. Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu and can expose hundreds of adults very quickly. Protecting kids will prevent spread. Not to mention kids who are vaccinated can still possibly be exposed to covid an…

> Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu

I was expecting this at the start of this school year but it hasn’t really borne out as bad as I thought.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by bsaul » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side.

This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it..

On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representative of the public debate in the US, but the level of hysteria on covid has reached an absurd level: obeses american wanting to wear no mask vs psycho-mum wanting to sue the whole world in order to protect their kids...

The most amazing thing about this epidemic could end up being our reactions..

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by kybernetyk » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

glogla wrote: post #16

kybernetyk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by tootie » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

adolph wrote: post #26

tootie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unbelievable that this far into the pandemic people are still making this argument. It has been known from near the beginning that the direct risk to kids is relatively small. The risk is secondary exposure. Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu and can expose hundreds of adults very quickly. Protecting kids will prevent spread. Not to mention kids who are vaccinated can still possibly be exposed to covid an…

> Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu I was expecting this at the start of this school year but it hasn’t really borne out as bad as I thought.

It hasn't happened in my kids' schools because they have stringent safety protocols. Mandatory masking, faculty and staff are required to vaccinate and spot testing. They will also shut down at least cohorts of kids to do two weeks of remote learning if there's a confirmed case. This is NYC schools who administer about 1M kids of varying means.

A buried story from last year is that nationwide there was exactly 1 confirmed child influenza death in the entire country. There was 200 the year before. It speaks to the disease prevention protocols being very effective.

Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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Post by isabelc » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

peteradio wrote: post #2

Double-whammy article, second title: Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot

The problem with infection to provide immunity is its variability, not its strength. It's kind of moot anyways, infection + vaccine is better than just an infection.

No, according to Cleveland Clinic's study, vaccine adds no benefit to those with natural immunity.

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210608/No-point-vacc...