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Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by pavlov »

rsj_hn wrote: post #145
pessimizer wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the Treaties and the law adopted by the Union on the basis of the Treaties have primacy over the law of Member States, under the conditions laid down by the said case law." This does not read ambiguously. You asked for a citation, it was given, and now you're ignoring it. Unless you specifically show why this doesn't say what we think it does, you've lost your audience.

Just some of the carve-outs for Poland https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... " 1. The Charter does not extend the ability of the Court of Justice of the European Union, or any court or tribunal of Poland or of the United Kingdom, to find that the laws, regulations or administrative provisions, practices or action of Poland or of the United Kingdom are inconsistent with the fundamental rights…

See my other reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28806878

I believe you’re confusing this reference to the Charter of Fundamental Rights — a separate document — with the treaty itself.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by bserge »

space_rock wrote: post #153
JaakkoP wrote: post #83

This is a shrewd move by Ireland. Multinational companies chose Ireland largely because: 1) Low tax basis 2) English speaking EU country 3) Part of the Euro zone (less important than #1 and #2 to be sure). Given the OECD tax agreement there are fewer low-tax destinations for companies to pick from. And because of Brexit there are no other English-speaking EU countries. Companies in Ireland aren’t going anywhere and i…

Of course. Cartels are always about reducing competition. Even if a cartel between countries like OPEC or this agreement. Irland just killed the competition

Competition killed itself a while ago. Wait, no, I think it's still bleeding out.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by rosywoozlechan »

pbourke wrote: post #103
jxcole wrote: post #74

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Why? This comment is not about Berlin or Paris, it is mentioning then as examples of non English speaking cities. Is the author supposed to mention every city in Europe?

The Netherlands has the highest English proficiency in the world [0] (among non-native speaking countries) so I imagine it would be a compelling choice. [0] https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/

Do you think that this is widely known?

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by bserge »

m0zg wrote: post #4

Ireland is about to discover how unattractive it is as a locale for multinational HQs when the playing field is somewhat more level. And I'm in favor of the move as a middle class US taxpayer and a small business owner who pays through the nose, but this is a quite obvious self-own in the long run for them, much for the same reason why introducing a wealth tax was a self-own for France. Big Money is mobile, sophistic…

France has way bigger problems than the wealth tax.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by ranit »

DevKoala wrote: post #157
Pet_Ant wrote: post #48

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Warsaw? We’re becoming the Texas of Europe, more than a little unpalatable.

Have you been to Texas? From all my trips there it is a lot like California. Also California is very different once you get out of the big cities, which cover only a small surface of the state.

GP likely meant anti abortion laws.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by viraptor »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #65
Pet_Ant wrote: post #48

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Warsaw? We’re becoming the Texas of Europe, more than a little unpalatable.

>” We’re becoming the Texas of Europe” In what way? A ton of businesses are moving to Texas for more favorable tax treatment, fewer regulations, and lower cost of living. Is that a happening with Poland, too?

> In what way?

Conservative policies including strong stance against any abortion.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by ranit »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #65
Pet_Ant wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warsaw? We’re becoming the Texas of Europe, more than a little unpalatable.

>” We’re becoming the Texas of Europe” In what way? A ton of businesses are moving to Texas for more favorable tax treatment, fewer regulations, and lower cost of living. Is that a happening with Poland, too?

> In what way?

Anti abortion laws.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by kmonsen »

pavlov wrote: post #135
rsj_hn wrote: post #131

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Go ahead and cite the passage in the Treaty of Lisbon that says Polish law can be overriden by EU law. I'll wait. Hint: the reason why the structure of the EU was designed so that national parliaments would pass their own versions of laws agreed to in the EU parliament was precisely because it is the national laws that are binding. Similarly the EU courts rule on actions of the member states in the context of the EU,…

From the text of the Treaty of Lisbon: 17. Declaration concerning primacy The Conference recalls that, in accordance with well settled case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union, the Treaties and the law adopted by the Union on the basis of the Treaties have primacy over the law of Member States, under the conditions laid down by the said case law.

Often laws are long winded and hard to understand so some confusion can be understandable. This is two lines and straightforward.

"Yes, but I choose to ignore those parts."

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by brigandish »

p2t2p wrote: post #107
kybernetyk wrote: post #101

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Well, the EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. Of course national law made by a democratically elected government should trump some unelected and possibly very corrupt bureaucrats far away.

I’ll take unelected EU bureaucrat over elected Trump-like something any day.

Democracy is very inconvenient, especially for those who struggle to persuade others how to live.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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Post by aserafini »

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #173
pbourke wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Netherlands has the highest English proficiency in the world [0] (among non-native speaking countries) so I imagine it would be a compelling choice. [0] https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/

Do you think that this is widely known?

It is, yes. And would be for anyone seriously researching where to base an international office.
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