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Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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People have been yelling about Tether for years, myself included. But nothing seems to stop it. Not lawsuits, not major news articles. The conclusion I draw is that, yes, the game is rigged - AND EVERYONE IS OK WITH IT. As long as it's making everyone money, no one will really complain. What I also find interesting, is that if tether ever DOES crash, the result might be a big boost for Bitcoin. If you hold Tether, an…

The most plausible conspiracy theory I've seen for the complete lack of regulatory action against Bitcoin or Tether is that they're being used to launder money by the US intelligence community.

It isn't a conspiracy theory. It happens (see the part where they buy infrastructure with bitcoin): https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-spyi...

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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When lambo is a joke. The entire space is riddled with memes and jokes. You shouldn't take it so serious.

I get that, but it’s disingenuous to say that there aren’t a lot of people buying this stuff because they legitimately expect it to make them rich. Is it most new buyers? There’s really no way to know.

I'd say most people hope it makes them rich, not necessarily expect it. More likely, aiming for a high return they can't get anywhere else.

It's a distribution like anything else. A handful of billionaires, a larger group of millionaires, and then comes the sweetspot.

The sweetspot for crypto is middle class (from lower middle class to higher middle class) doing a 5-10x from whatever they put in. Not enough to retire, but meaningful wealth. This return is within reach for almost anybody with some study, patience, and proper risk management.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Not anymore it isn't, and they've admitted it: https://beincrypto.com/coinbase-drops-guarantee-of-usdc-stab...

I wrote that it was backed by dollars and treasuries. You wrote that it wasn't backed solely by dollars. So we agree.

No, we don't, since USDC can now be backed by pretty much anything:

> "the assets in fact include commercial paper, corporate bonds and other assets."

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Bitcoin effectively is the reason I stopped leaving breadcrumbs for Twitter researchers in the future. I read his research and see forum posts from idiots we use to laugh at on irc, but I myself participated in the pirate@40 ponzi, as other people did - maybe 47 poor souls if memory serves. What a lot people can’t seem to grasp about 2012 is Bitcoin miners were flush with Bitcoin and no place to spend it, no place to…

Was this comment written by a Markov chain? Subreddit Simulator?

I don’t think so. At least I remember the pool payout “trick”.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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It's an interesting loop hole. That can actually be solved with a smart contract that wouldn't allow you to sell below the purchase price, or at least not that far below it. Anything can be programmed in a smart contract, and they're transparent, so if the royalty rules are not acceptable to you, don't buy it.

The flip side of such a contract is that you would be locked out of selling the item if its value dropped too far (thereby depriving the creator of royalties), and if the value increased, the royalties would only be ensured on the original price. I think this is more than just a loophole - it's a fundamental weakness of the smart contract system. The smart contract can audit things which are on the blockchain, but ca…

I'm not sure I'm getting you. If you want to do things outside the blockchain against the terms set by the NFT owner, you're in violation of rights (if copyright is properly integrated, currently not the case).

Can you do that? Sure. But it's no different from pirating anything.

I think we're overstating this example. An NFT owner might also claim zero resell royalties and instead go for a higher first-sale price. Or set the royalty percentage lower. I think some balance will be found.

A far bigger issue with NFTs is a single person buying their own NFTs using different wallets. This artificially boost the price, some fool falls for this high perceived value, buys it, and is then forever stuck with it.

The other big issue is front running. Knowing ahead of time which projects will be dropped on major marketplaces. It's insider trading basically.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Okay, use the web. Within a couple of years of its creation it had transformed businesses in all kinds of industries, government, education, recreational activities, etc. By the time it was as old as Bitcoin, the world was completely different and people were walking around with web clients in their pockets; in contrast, the most impact Bitcoin has had outside of its own community seems to be that it can be slightly…

I'm going to disagree with your timescale, mainly in the use of 'web' rather than 'internet'. The 'internet', which set the foundation for the 'web' started its existence in the 70's, and the 'web' wasn't really invented until the late 80's / early 90's. Memory of time passing seemingly gets very compressed the further back you go. Additionally, Bitcoin is an attempt at disrupting elements of the financial world (and…

Okay, use the Internet and computer networks in general. Network connectivity was expensive and slow until the late 90s. Computers were very expensive, further limiting reach, until the personal computer revolution opened it up and prices came down in the 1990s. Software was primitive, too, limiting reach and capabilities - people who could afford Macs or Amigas had GUIs but that wasn’t mainstream until the Windows 3.1 era, arguably Windows 95.

The pricing for hardware, software, and especially connectivity meant that this was an upper-middle-class or richer phenomenon at first and it wasn’t until the mid-to-late 90s that it had become common for lower-middle class families to have a networked computer.

All of that is completely unlike Bitcoin’s day one availability to a billion people.

Despite those barriers, because network connectivity had actual value to people who weren’t selling it, unlike Bitcoin, many normal people paid money to get access to services like Compuserv or GEnie, the earliest ISPs started connecting businesses and schools, you’d hear about people taking an elective at the local college to get a student account, etc. Technical work adopted as allowed - email/Usenet support, FTP sites, Telnet access to applications and forums, etc. were all common before the web – but so were people reading the news, getting stick quotes or researching, playing games, or socializing - the first met-online marriage happened in the late 1970s if memory serves. Real people found it useful enough to pay extortionate telco rates, deal with modems, even getting second phone lines to avoid disruption.

That all contrasts sharply with Bitcoin which arrived in a world where a billion people had the ability to use it. The lack of adoption has been due to the lack of a need – and especially the community’s tendency to say “you don’t get it!” and rant when people explain real concerns such as cost, fraud, or lack of benefit over the other options. This is a dead tell for when people have major conceptual problems: if you can’t explain a system to a non-specialist at a high level, something is wrong. The fact that 13 years in people are still unable to come up with a compelling pitch for why someone would want to use Bitcoin beyond speculation tells us that long-term success won’t happen without major changes.

The central bank analogy doesn’t work, either, because that didn’t arise out of nothing but was rather formalizing existing banking relationships with goals like stability. That evolved over centuries and, most importantly, constant daily use — nobody went from storing money in the couch cushions to a central bank without an intermediate state. Similarly, central banks are backed by some form of real value. A pure fiat currency like Bitcoin with weak backing, plenty of competition, and no innate demand is not what you’d use for such a system — and, indeed, anyone who is familiar with the history can see that’s the concept people who’d bought into Bitcoin pivoted to after failing at the original goal of being a currency.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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I wrote that it was backed by dollars and treasuries. You wrote that it wasn't backed solely by dollars. So we agree.

No, we don't, since USDC can now be backed by pretty much anything: > "the assets in fact include commercial paper, corporate bonds and other assets."

Hello,

You're right. Their latest attestation[0] does not yet reflect their move to only cash and treasuries[1].

0: https://www.centre.io/hubfs/pdfs/attestation/2021%20Circle%2...

1: https://www.centre.io/blog/usdc-reserves-composition

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Well, Bitfinex uses Deltec as their bank. A bank that claimed at the start of this year that they were "55 years old and whose customers were predominantly asset managers and high net worth individuals", until they did a website redesign (more on that below) and overnight were "70 years old". A bank that had a 33 year old "Deputy CEO" who gave interviews from his gaming rig. Who claimed to have graduated from HEC Lau…

> I keep waiting for Yakety Sax to start playing, but to the true believers, it never does, and apparently all us nay-sayers are just neanderthal and don't see "the vision". It reminds me of the initial dot-com bubble, where anybody who asked questions was also painted as not getting it. Ditto the mortgage bubble, come to think of it. Then when the inevitable crash comes, nobody apologizes. It's either "who could hav…

I’ve seen this happen in companies with stupid projects. Same thing happened with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Anyone who dares ask questions is ignored, sidelined, or fired.

Seems to be a general pattern when there is an economic or policy “bubble” and big players in an organization or sector are holding the bag.

Everyone who holds cryptocurrency is holding Tether’s bag of poo. No they are not even the majority of money in cryptocurrency, but they are enough to prop up the price a lot given that it’s a fairly thin market. They are also structured so as to make it very easy to use their funny money to manipulate cryptocurrency price.

Their joker CEO sounds like a cutout and fall guy.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Would you gamble your entire investment on that? If Tether collapses, there will be major outflows from all stablecoins, and we'll find out which ones have been swimming naked.

Circle [0] and Coinbase [1] have recently reported that they are shifting their USDC reserves fully into short-term liquid assets. Given that both Circle and Coinbase are US-regulated, and given the attention being paid to stablecoins specifically by US regulators right now, USDC is probably the safest on-chain asset that currently exists (assuming that you consider USD itself to be a safe asset to hold). [0] https:/…

Domiciled is probably a better term than "regulated" for USDC. To quote their homepage disclosures box:

> Digital asset markets and exchanges are not regulated with the same controls or customer protections available with other forms of financial products and are subject to an evolving regulatory environment. Digital assets do not typically have legal tender status and are not covered by deposit protection insurance.

They're regulated as money transmitters like Venmo, and depending on the state, that can mean as little as "pay us a few thousand dollars and we'll ignore you." This regulatory framework was created as a way of side-stepping the more onerous regulations that apply to real depository institutions. Thats why they were able to invest the backing in ... whatever before the SEC came knocking.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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Would you gamble your entire investment on that? If Tether collapses, there will be major outflows from all stablecoins, and we'll find out which ones have been swimming naked.

I would. I'd wager Tether's collapse would cause inflows to other stablecoins. It's also worth noting that smart contract based stablecoins, such as DAI, are incapable of being under-collateralized.

From where? USDT will be worth exactly $0 so some 80% of all trading volume in crypto will evaporate instantly, and so will probably 80% of its dollar equivalents.
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