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Facebook shows even more fear (of Google+, etc.)

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Re: Facebook shows even more fear (of Google+, etc.)

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Post by ristretto »

sliverstorm wrote: post #8
ristretto wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont understand why facebook gets a green card from the blogosphere, while nobody of its competitors or any other top-10 website reaches anywhere near this sort of evilness. Myspace didnt ban facebook ads, google doesnt ban facebook ads, hi5 doesnt, the majority of social apps advertise other apps; why is it "understandable" for fb? That's not a good way to build "open" app ecosystem.

How is it not understandable? To say something is simply not understandable is to say you cannot even begin to conceive of why they would do such a thing. Whether or not we agree with FB, I think just about everyone sees where they are coming from.

Yes, causality is generally not broken, so i assumed the meaning "justifiable" for "understandable". My comment was not so much a response to the comment but to the general "free pass" that the "new ethics" get in mainstream media.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

ristretto wrote: post #2

Wow, that is evilness to new highs. First they dont allow google adsense on apps, then they ban 3rd party virtual currency, then they ban G+ ads on facebook, and now this. This company is going straight to technological hell. In any case, it is foolish of them to think that this will in any way harm the growth of g+. If G+ proves to be a good platform alternative, we 'd rather quit the fb platform altogether and forc…

I don't think it represents them going to hell, I think it represents some 'quick' things they can do which may mitigate the impact of G+ in the short term while deeper and perhaps more integrated barriers are put into place.

No one should be surprised that Facebook considers Google a competitor, and while I don't think they are 'terrified' I don't think anyone is still thinking this is a 'half hearted' effort by the big G to move in on Facebook's turf. Its 'game on' as they say and let the most agile win.

Looking at Facebook's arsenal of existing properties, combined with their large installed base advantage, and a bit of 'coolness' advantage too, the situation isn't as dire as TC would want you to believe. It does mean they will need to bring their best game to this particular dance. And somewhere in Facebook headquarters there should be a 'war room' where the folks who are co-ordinating this particular response are sharing strategies, making plans, and contingency plans, and feeding that back into the company and following through to make sure the company is executing on all cylinders.[1]

Of course that isn't rocket science, its management 101.

[1] I count the mix of metaphors at 3 sort of a sports-social-vehicular motif :-)

Re: Facebook shows even more fear (of Google+, etc.)

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Post by DanielRibeiro »

ristretto wrote: post #11
sliverstorm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it not understandable? To say something is simply not understandable is to say you cannot even begin to conceive of why they would do such a thing. Whether or not we agree with FB, I think just about everyone sees where they are coming from.

Yes, causality is generally not broken, so i assumed the meaning "justifiable" for "understandable". My comment was not so much a response to the comment but to the general "free pass" that the "new ethics" get in mainstream media.

I really meant understandable. By no means i think it is "good" or desirable. I even think it can harm Facebook in the mid/long term.

Re: Facebook shows even more fear (of Google+, etc.)

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Post by dannyr »

“I.11. Apps on Facebook may not integrate, link to, promote, distribute, or redirect to any app on any other competing social platform.”

I wonder if apps that check you in into multiple services (e.g. Foursquare, Gowalla, etc.) would violate this agreement. Once Google+ opens its Checkin API, I bet these services would integrate with it too.

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Post by guywithabike »

ristretto wrote: post #6
guywithabike wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is controlling what advertising appears on your site "evil"? I don't get all the hand-wringing over companies that want to build profitable platforms. Are users harmed when Facebook disallows Google+ ads on their site?

How is it not (for developers), when competing networks make less than half in revenue than adsense and are provably much less safe (the excuse they used for the ban). For your second question, users are harmed when they are disallowed from doing things they want to. The fact that they are the only ones in the world doing that makes it evil (to me). You may think that kicking the other drivers out of the race is a va…

Following your analogy, Facebook isn't kicking people out of an F1 race, they're disallowing competitors from adding their own engine parts to Facebook's car. Sounds reasonable, right?

Still, that's a tortured metaphor.

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Post by jc4p »

I work at a social gaming company who currently has an app on Facebook and other social networks. When I saw that Techcrunch had quoted Alex St. John I started laughing out loud and made every one else in the office come and see because it's amazingly hilarious to hear Hi5 say Facebook is terrified of them. Hi5's user base monetizes incredibly badly, and their API and support staff are terrible.
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