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Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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Glenn Greenwood in my opinion is not a neutral party here. In recent times he clearly has chosen sides.

You know what, I'm willing to take you up on the offer of "eliminate all biased media".

As long as it's me that gets to determine what is "biased" and what is not, sign me up. I also have thoughts about what is a "real" religion and what isn't, if you need more help.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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It's not like the web has a high entry barrier, how come these embedded systems developers turn web developers that are so great haven't made anything? Am I missing something? Are there secret web apps that are oh so good but just not darn popular enough?

I’d say inertia and unawareness of the FAANG salary market on the supply-side, and ageism and preference for demographic diversity over experiential diversity on the demand-side.

TBH A range of ages is demographic diversity. No idea why it's forgotten about sometimes.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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I don't really know much about US politics, but could this recent attack on Facebook be a political move and a power grab? Attack FB so they block certain groups / certain topics and promote what the regulators want? I listened to the whistle-blower's testimony and I didn't hear any reasonable solutions (in my opinion at least; I am a software developer myself). Also, it seems there might be some regulations imposed.…

A lot of people in this thread are casting political attacks on Facebook as a Democratic thing, so I'll just point out that conservative Republican Senator Josh Hawley has been attacking Facebook for years, including proposals to strip them of Section 230 protection and to allow people to sue them in federal court for "harmful content".

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-demands-answers-faceboo...

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6950261/Limiting-Sect...

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21074054/federal-big-...

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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> there is already a double-digit premium Facebook must pay for talent That's an odd way of putting it. Do Google and Netflix and other big tech companies face the same "headwinds"? Their compensation is comparable. Facebook pays a premium because it's drawing from the top of the talent pool and is facing competition from other companies trying to acquire people with the same level of exceptional skill. The idea that…

This may be true for entry level jobs, but for senior level jobs the "stain on the resume" issue is very real. A friend was a recruiter for FB until a few months back and has repeatedly stated that over the last 18 months she had an increasingly large percentage of targeted senior candidates refuse to even take her calls.

Lots of recruiters are having trouble. You haven't demonstrated that anti-FB sentiment makes it harder for ex-FB people to get hired.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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Haven’t used FB as a social media platform in a long time. So I understand the decreasing usage by the younger audience. However, I think FB should pivot to strictly a marketplace.

My experience of selling items on their marketplace has far exceeded my expectations. In comparison to CL, Reddit, or Nextdoor, FB Marketplace was a much better experience.

Not sure if it is the elimination of “anonymity”, but dealt with 0 sketchy people and was able to sell items locally relatively fast (list them before going to bed then have 10+ responses wanting to buy it at listing price).

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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>there is already a double-digit premium Facebook must pay for talent Really? Are they forced to pay more because people are actively avoiding the company, or because they have to pay more for top talent due to competitors?

I was also interested to know what "double-digit premium" actually means in this context. I feel like the order of magnitude are confusing to me. Like, they pay people $10-$99 more, or they pay people 10x-99x more? Neither seems a plausible interpretation of the statement. Edit: Ok, ok, percentage!

I'd guess that they mean 10% or more total compensation versus comparable positions elsewhere. But I could also see this meaning $10k a year or more because 10% TC is such an insane number.

In my experience, Facebook's offers do tend to beat Google's by $10k or so. But it's all so random and all over the place that it's tough to know if that's a consistent number.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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post #147

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> there is already a double-digit premium Facebook must pay for talent That's an odd way of putting it. Do Google and Netflix and other big tech companies face the same "headwinds"? Their compensation is comparable. Facebook pays a premium because it's drawing from the top of the talent pool and is facing competition from other companies trying to acquire people with the same level of exceptional skill. The idea that…

This may be true for entry level jobs, but for senior level jobs the "stain on the resume" issue is very real. A friend was a recruiter for FB until a few months back and has repeatedly stated that over the last 18 months she had an increasingly large percentage of targeted senior candidates refuse to even take her calls.

The same taint would apply after working at Google or Apple or even Barclays banks or MIT. Who wants to go through a 3 interview process just to find out that great candidate simply won't sign until the offer is bumped at least 3x

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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I used to say that at least Facebook gave us, developers, React. (And graphql, I would add.). Its product stinks; but at least its open-sourced tools have moved the web forward.

Sure felt like a gust of fresh air circa 2014. But now I am not so sure it's a blessing anymore.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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Glenn Greenwald wrote an article arguing that yes, it is a power grab. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/democrats-and-media-do-not-...

Glenn Greenwood in my opinion is not a neutral party here. In recent times he clearly has chosen sides.

Not an argument.
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