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Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by neuronic »

edgyquant wrote: post #176
davidholdeman wrote: post #145

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I don't know whether your experience is similar to mine, but I can't visualize faces at all, even of someone I have just been looking at. I have no issues recognizing people or visualizing things other than faces, so neither aphantasia nor prosopagnosia match.

I can’t visualize anything really. It’s like I just think about its shape in an abstract since but I don’t actually visualize anything it’s all words and thoughts in my head, no images.

I heard this very often and am always quite curious about it, as I cant relate. Whenever I imagine something it's a mix of abstract, foggy stuff and vivid clear images. I don't "see" them, I think/dream them like replaying a visual input without involving the eyes.

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Post by neuronic »

gremloni wrote: post #183
edgyquant wrote: post #176

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I can’t visualize anything really. It’s like I just think about its shape in an abstract since but I don’t actually visualize anything it’s all words and thoughts in my head, no images.

Can you close your eyes and visualize a red, three dimensional star rotating?

Yes until I also visualized a derpy dog orbiting it whose tongue was hanging out.

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Post by neuronic »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #72
apeace wrote: post #41

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This would indeed be convincing, but I can't seem to find any further information on it. Here is the Case Breaker's blog announcement[1]. And here is a press release from them with some details of their work[2]. I'd really like to see this in action, but it seems like they haven't published it yet. Am I missing it? [1] https://thecasebreakers.org/2021/09/the-last-zodiac-victim/ [2] https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.…

I'm missing something here. I could create a coded message that required apeace to decipher. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm you.

No but it requires you to know apeace. Could be random letters with usernames - ok. But it's a different story with full names in the 1960s. Could have still just browsed the telephone book, but together with other hints it adds weight to the argument.

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Post by FPGAhacker »

gremloni wrote: post #136
jahnu wrote: post #130

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Perhaps the artists are trained to ask questions of witnesses that reveal details you wouldn't be able to give up unprompted?

I’ve had this exercise with my wife and I couldn’t even describe her nose, mouth, forehead or ears even though I see her everyday.

That’s fascinating to me. How would you describe your dreams (as in rem sleep dreams)?

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Post by rjbwork »

schoen wrote: post #185
gremloni wrote: post #127

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Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I've always had a similar experience to this and also don't believe it is the same thing as either aphantasia or prosopagnosia. I can consciously imagine things (and people and places) that I'm not seeing right now. I'm not super-great at it, but I can certainly do it. I can also easily and reliably recognize individual people. But the idea of describing any individual detail of people's appearance even while looking…

I very much feel this way as well. I've never quite articulated it as well as you have and it has given me some insight into my own behaviors.

I think this is why I'm what is described as a "power gamer". When I play video games I'm always looking for optimal strategies, the most powerful combinations of items and skills, etc. While I definitely can at times enjoy the scenery and graphical beauty of video games, I often feel as if I'm "staring through" the game as presented right into the game as actuality when playing, hardly processing the graphics at all past being some kind of representation of the game itself.

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Post by lbriner »

40 people to solve an old case that people already suspected was carried out by someone who has now died doesn't seem like a judicious use of time and money, unless they did it for free.

Los Angeles has an entire warehouse of unsolved cases, wouldn't it be nice for those people to provide bits of insight into those cases instead?

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Post by BongoMcCat »

schoen wrote: post #185
gremloni wrote: post #127

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Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I've always had a similar experience to this and also don't believe it is the same thing as either aphantasia or prosopagnosia. I can consciously imagine things (and people and places) that I'm not seeing right now. I'm not super-great at it, but I can certainly do it. I can also easily and reliably recognize individual people. But the idea of describing any individual detail of people's appearance even while looking…

+1

I can really relate to this. Thnx.

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Post by bserge »

gremloni wrote: post #127
koboll wrote: post #113

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The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too. Almost perfectly the same, except for maybe a slight difference in nose width.

Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I have literally had this thought yesterday for the first time. If I had to describe someone's face to police... I couldn't.

I mean, they've got 2 eyes, a nose, lips, that's the best I could do :D

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Post by bserge »

webmaven wrote: post #164
gremloni wrote: post #146

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I doubt it’s either of those. I can recognize a person at a distance but ask me to describe if their nose bridge is wider or narrower and I literally wouldn’t be able to tell you unless it’s significantly exaggerated.

The question should be, if shown an example nose drawing could you say whether the bridge should be wider or narrower? Or if shown two noses with different width bridges, can you point to the one that is closer to being right? Police sketch artist scenes in movies and TV shows are incredibly abbreviated compared to reality, which often features a lot more iteration and discarded sketches precisely because a lot of pe…

That explains it. Yeah, I'd be able to point to something that's closer to what I saw.
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