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Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by astrange »

polynomial wrote: post #105
aquova wrote: post #33

So two new pieces of evidence are offered up by this article, firstly that Zodiac was identified by several witnesses as having a forehead scar, including being drawn on the famous sketch of him, which matches a scar Poste had at the time. Secondly, some sort of new solution to the cipher is possible by omitting Poste's full name in some way. As exciting as it would be, I always take these claims about famous cases b…

Apparently there was also a paint-splattered watch recovered at the Bates killing scene (tied to ZK in 1975 by FBI) and he spent decades as a house painter. There was also a recovered boot print from that scene that apparently was a match to him. I guess we'll all have to wait for all the true crime podcasts to spill the rest of the beans.

Also, his friend apparently liked to tell people it was him and post selfies on Facebook saying he was Zodiac.

https://twitter.com/Q_Review/status/1445837540620218369

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by tomcatfish »

duskwuff wrote: post #85
fhood wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the Zodiac killer is recent enough for uncovering their identity to feel sort of feasible. That said, I personally find the idea of it being Ted Cruz so amusing that I see little reason to amend my head-canon, regardless of evidence presented.

> my head cannon The phrase you're thinking of is "headcanon" (cf. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canon ), although "head cannon" evokes a much funnier mental image.

https://xkcd.com/1401/

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by gremloni »

edgyquant wrote: post #176
davidholdeman wrote: post #145

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I don't know whether your experience is similar to mine, but I can't visualize faces at all, even of someone I have just been looking at. I have no issues recognizing people or visualizing things other than faces, so neither aphantasia nor prosopagnosia match.

I can’t visualize anything really. It’s like I just think about its shape in an abstract since but I don’t actually visualize anything it’s all words and thoughts in my head, no images.

Can you close your eyes and visualize a red, three dimensional star rotating?

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by teorema »

gremloni wrote: post #127
koboll wrote: post #113

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The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too. Almost perfectly the same, except for maybe a slight difference in nose width.

Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

Not a disorder. Totally normal. This is why cognitive models distinguish between visual and verbal processing.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by schoen »

gremloni wrote: post #127
koboll wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too. Almost perfectly the same, except for maybe a slight difference in nose width.

Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I've always had a similar experience to this and also don't believe it is the same thing as either aphantasia or prosopagnosia.

I can consciously imagine things (and people and places) that I'm not seeing right now. I'm not super-great at it, but I can certainly do it. I can also easily and reliably recognize individual people.

But the idea of describing any individual detail of people's appearance even while looking at them (let alone from memory) seems extraordinarily difficult for me, and has since childhood. My stepmother was an artist and would sometimes try to question me about this, suggesting that I could learn to do it but hadn't.

I think I agree with other comments in this thread that conscious awareness of visual details in a scene is a separate skill from any form of recognition or recall -- especially, or most dramatically, for faces, but really for any visual percept as well. Maybe for any sensory perception: for example, I could imagine someone who can recognize individual voices, or musical instruments in a performance in which several different instruments are present, but who can't describe what makes one different from another (perhaps not even at the level of which instrument or voice has a higher-pitched fundamental tone than another's?).

I think I rely a ton on my visual system's chunking and abstraction and usually have little to no conscious awareness of any individual visual detail (especially for faces, but really for anything), unless I make some active effort to bring visual details to consciousness. I remember telling a friend in high school that I usually experienced visual scenes in a kind of wireframe summary by default (although this is just a metaphor, since I don't mean to deny that I noticed colors or textures), which she also found surprising and unfamiliar.

Edit: Like another commenter in this thread, my stepmother often recommended Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain to me, so maybe I should work through it and try to develop my ability to notice visual features without interpreting them. :-)

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by boogies »

ncmncm wrote: post #121
boogies wrote: post #109

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> Robert Lustig videos on Youtube are a great way to start learning about this. Or off YT: https://videos.lukesmith.xyz/w/feioCyaQEZ1ogHK1oNJM4K > Thus, the people taking fiber out of and putting sugar into everything are the biggest current mass killers. Stringing them up may be an over-reaction. Maybe convicting them would be, too? Anyway stopping them seems like a good idea. Think about them next time the news is…

I like to play the videos at 1.5x-2x speed, with subtitles. That makes a 90-minute lecture take a more easily found 60 or 45 minutes. Tobacco advertising is banned in the US, and tobacco use is in decline there. (The US State Department works to outlaw bans in other countries. True!) A ban on advertising sugar-laced products -- high sugar-to-fiber ratio products, specifically -- ought to help.

I like 3× speed with subs and librubberband (automagically speeding faster through silence and slowing down on fast speech, automatically activated by mpv's librubberband-helper plugin).

After reading the lies and cover-ups the NIAAA, NIH, etc. were involved in relating to the alcohol study, adding more bureaucrats to enforce new bans is about the last thing I'd try to help.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by spywaregorilla »

lqet wrote: post #26
Ansil849 wrote: post #8

I feel like at least twice a year, there is some story like "Zodiac Killer Finally Identified" or "DB Cooper Finally Found". And behind these stories is usually just one person or group of people who are presenting their pet theory (which highlighted all facts supporting it, and conveniently brushes aside all facts which don't) and have savy media contacts so are able to get media exposure to help promote what's freq…

I find this quite convincing: > In one note, the letters of Poste's full name were removed to reveal an alternate message, [Jen Bucholtz, a former Army counterintelligence agent] told Fox News. > "So you've got to know Gary's full name in order to decipher these anagrams," Bucholtz said. "I just don't think there's any other way anybody would have figured it out."

> anagrams

That strikes me as a major red flag. With anagrams you can place letters in any order you choose. A lot more cheatable than a consistent cipher solution.

Are anagrams typical of zodiac findings?

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by ncmncm »

boogies wrote: post #186
ncmncm wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like to play the videos at 1.5x-2x speed, with subtitles. That makes a 90-minute lecture take a more easily found 60 or 45 minutes. Tobacco advertising is banned in the US, and tobacco use is in decline there. (The US State Department works to outlaw bans in other countries. True!) A ban on advertising sugar-laced products -- high sugar-to-fiber ratio products, specifically -- ought to help.

I like 3× speed with subs and librubberband (automagically speeding faster through silence and slowing down on fast speech, automatically activated by mpv's librubberband-helper plugin). After reading the lies and cover-ups the NIAAA, NIH, etc. were involved in relating to the alcohol study, adding more bureaucrats to enforce new bans is about the last thing I'd try to help.

TIL librubberband! So, like

  $ mpv --af=rubberband --speed=2 --demuxer-readahead-secs=60 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpNU72dny2s'
Food labeling requirements have to be counted as a success, as far as they go. And, I find it hard to criticize the execution of the tobacco advertising ban. Stringing people up has been seen to work, but most often the wrong ones get strung up.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Post by asveikau »

astrange wrote: post #181
polynomial wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently there was also a paint-splattered watch recovered at the Bates killing scene (tied to ZK in 1975 by FBI) and he spent decades as a house painter. There was also a recovered boot print from that scene that apparently was a match to him. I guess we'll all have to wait for all the true crime podcasts to spill the rest of the beans.

Also, his friend apparently liked to tell people it was him and post selfies on Facebook saying he was Zodiac. https://twitter.com/Q_Review/status/1445837540620218369

Wow. That guy in the glasses looks just like the police sketch.
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