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Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

Perhaps the artists are trained to ask questions of witnesses that reveal details you wouldn't be able to give up unprompted?

I remember a podcast (I think it was Every Little Thing) where someone described being a police sketch artist and it very much involved a lot of question asking, a lot of experience with identifying specific traits that stand out, and refining it over time.

Draw a nose, was the bridge wider or thiner? With a lot of experience they seem to be able to get the "right" details close-enough that it can identify say, a large handful of people for whom those that might report them can feel more confident in say, calling the FBI before reporting their uncle.

This casts a wider net than say, directly identifying them, but it helps isolate the possible suspects well enough to be worth doing when you've got nothing else.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/circumstantial 1. belonging to, consisting in, or dependent on circumstances 2. pertinent but not essential : incidental The original comment used the word correctly. Because dictionaries describe how people actually speak, not prescribe rules on how to use words. That's why they get updated every so often as word usages change.

> how people actually speak To counter that point, "circumstantial" has a legal meaning that does not change as easily.

Yes. But this thread isn't a legal document and is mostly written by people that aren't lawyers.

A lot of words have specific meanings, yet we don't complain and cite dictionary definitions when people use the word "or" as exclusive-or.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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This seems super dubious. I just watched the 2007 film Zodiac this week so it's recently on my mind. The prime suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, has so much incriminating evidence against him that it's just nuts to me that anyone considers this anything but a solved case. Seriously, just read this: https://zodiackiller.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Leigh_Allen#Incr... Most importantly of the list, a guy he shot who lived picked…

Yeah I saw the movie as well a couple of weeks ago and the OP article doesn't shine light on much at all.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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So two new pieces of evidence are offered up by this article, firstly that Zodiac was identified by several witnesses as having a forehead scar, including being drawn on the famous sketch of him, which matches a scar Poste had at the time. Secondly, some sort of new solution to the cipher is possible by omitting Poste's full name in some way. As exciting as it would be, I always take these claims about famous cases b…

The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too. Almost perfectly the same, except for maybe a slight difference in nose width.

> The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too.

Am I the only one who can see one wears glasses the other does not?

You can't get a bigger difference.

Either the police sketch should be thrown out, if the witness makes a mistake about the glasses.

Or the suspect wasn't wearing them in his photo. In which case it needs to be mentioned, with a functioning 4th Estate the news should ask and hopefully answer obvious questions.

(And in non-movies serial killers don't wear disguises, although this currently seems more reality TV)

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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post #113

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The guy REALLY looks like the police sketches too. Almost perfectly the same, except for maybe a slight difference in nose width.

Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I don't know whether your experience is similar to mine, but I can't visualize faces at all, even of someone I have just been looking at. I have no issues recognizing people or visualizing things other than faces, so neither aphantasia nor prosopagnosia match.

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Have a search for "aphantasia" and see if your experience matches.

I’d say it sounds more like prosopagnosia.

I doubt it’s either of those. I can recognize a person at a distance but ask me to describe if their nose bridge is wider or narrower and I literally wouldn’t be able to tell you unless it’s significantly exaggerated.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone else have issues with identifying and describing facial features. I have no problems recognizing people, but there’s no way I can verbalize them on a specific features basis. What kind of disorder do I have?

I don't know whether your experience is similar to mine, but I can't visualize faces at all, even of someone I have just been looking at. I have no issues recognizing people or visualizing things other than faces, so neither aphantasia nor prosopagnosia match.

This comment describes me perfectly.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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This seems super dubious. I just watched the 2007 film Zodiac this week so it's recently on my mind. The prime suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, has so much incriminating evidence against him that it's just nuts to me that anyone considers this anything but a solved case. Seriously, just read this: https://zodiackiller.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Leigh_Allen#Incr... Most importantly of the list, a guy he shot who lived picked…

> When investigators contacted him anew in 1992, he suddenly died of heart failure before they could interview him.

What are you implying? If anything.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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I feel like at least twice a year, there is some story like "Zodiac Killer Finally Identified" or "DB Cooper Finally Found". And behind these stories is usually just one person or group of people who are presenting their pet theory (which highlighted all facts supporting it, and conveniently brushes aside all facts which don't) and have savy media contacts so are able to get media exposure to help promote what's freq…

It's actually the same guy! The fox news video started auto-playing and they introduced their first guest as "Casebreakers head Tom Colbert, who IDed hijacker DB Cooper". So, yeah, I think based on that alone this is likely fake news.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Oh good, Ted "Cancun" Cruz will finally be put into prison. In all seriousness, my daughter in college was in a psychology class where they were talking about serial killers. The Zodiac killer came up and a guy in the class said, in all seriousness, "Isn't Ted Cruz the Zodiac killer?"

I, personally, know of no hard evidence that could conclusively prove that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_v._Eiland-Hall
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