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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by echelon »

nerdjon wrote: post #56
CheezeIt wrote: post #47

Apple shouldn’t be interfering with other businesses and their users like this. It’s sad to see people here celebrating their inability to run unapproved software.

This is the cost of gaining access to users in iPhone. This also has nothing to do with unapproved software. The idea that a user can actually delete their data from your servers should not be a controversial topic. But of course it is for businesses and developers, which is why Apple has to make a policy like this. As a user I am very happy with this.

> This is the cost of gaining access to users in iPhone.

50+% of Americans for everything they do, say, buy, etc.

This is a monopoly by sheer volume and scale of their reach.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by MrStonedOne »

slownews45 wrote: post #77
jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

Most of their policies are ones CONSUMERS have liked but BUSINESSES have hated. The litigation / cases / govt intervention has been on behalf of businesses not consumers. A lot of folks in the "alliance for app fairness" have just horrible billing practices. Understandably, if they can get out of the app store, they can stop you from being able to do things like delete your account or unsubscribe with a few clicks. A…

Don't you think that is something apple should have thought of before doing what they did to cause outcry?

Apple wanted to be the gatekeeper blocking out harmful apps, fine by me.

Apple then wanting to use that gatekeeper status to steal money from app developers, block apps that compete with apple internal apps, and enforce moral choices on what kinds of apps you can install on your phone, evil by me.

They could have done the former without doing the latter, but they fucked it up, and have to pay the piper.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by paxys »

slownews45 wrote: post #103
paxys wrote: post #25

Wonder if this applies to Apple itself. There is no way to delete your Apple ID (or other info Apple knows about you) using the device.

"Apple gives you the ability to permanently delete your Apple ID account at any time and for any reason." That said, it's a pretty massive wipe. Photos, videos, documents, and other content that you stored in iCloud are permanently deleted; you can't receive any messages or calls sent to your account via iMessage, FaceTime, or iCloud Mail; and you can't sign in to or use services such as iCloud, the App Store, iTunes…

The point is they enforce that third parties have to allow it from within the app itself rather than a website. But Apple's account deletion process is only available on their website.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by [deleted] »

jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by gm »

Despegar wrote: post #33
jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

The App Store policies were always for the benefit of customers (and Apple). These policies will keep happening because the basic incentive of Apple's business model has been unchanged since 2008.

I would rephrase it as "The App Store policies were always for the benefit of Apple (and customers)."

The priorities have shown very clearly over time.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by jackson1442 »

winternett wrote: post #12

Apple... Now protecting people's privacy much faster than the government... 0-60 real quick. But on the other hand, I think they should also carefully disclose the info they collect at their OS level... Just another case of that old CYA.

When setting up your phone or accessing any apple apps for the first time, there's a (labeled) data collection icon at the bottom of the screen that you can touch for information about what data is collected by each app/process. For the apps, this information is also available in the App Store (just like any other app).

You can also view any collected system analytics in Settings -> Privacy- > Analytics & Improvements. Seems relatively fair to me.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by MrStonedOne »

simonklitj wrote: post #110
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, like the inability for the user to install an app after an authoritarian government decided that their subjects should not be using it, and Apple subserviently obeyed and removed said app from the Appstore. An extremely beneficial policy for the customers, right.

You’re talking about something else. Do we expect money-making companies to be the ones to war against authoritarian regimes? Do we not also expect companies to obey the laws of the lands in which they conduct business? You can’t just say screw it to GDPR and expect to continue to be able to conduct business in the EU.

Apple didn't have to lock users out of installing "unapproved" apps on their own. That isn't for the user's benefit and isn't necessary for apple to have a curated app store.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tlogan »

core-utility wrote: post #35
madars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

That's my biggest use case for Privacy.com. I care less about the privacy aspect and more about the convenience. I've already had once instance where a single-use card I created for 1 specific vendor started getting fraudulent hits (declines) and all I had to do was delete that card.

Be careful. You are still on the hook. And in many cases companies will sell you debt to collection agencies.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by harles »

slownews45 wrote: post #77
jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

Most of their policies are ones CONSUMERS have liked but BUSINESSES have hated. The litigation / cases / govt intervention has been on behalf of businesses not consumers. A lot of folks in the "alliance for app fairness" have just horrible billing practices. Understandably, if they can get out of the app store, they can stop you from being able to do things like delete your account or unsubscribe with a few clicks. A…

So the case for this practice is that Apple is the only corporation that can be trusted with billing - consumers are just being protected from all those evil corporations that aren’t Apple. Seems like a straw man.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by detaro »

vmception wrote: post #108
anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

Change your data model. That’s the answer. Add setters to the smart contract to change variables. It’s not that hard.

Scuttlebutt isn't a blockchain and doesn't have a concept of "smart contracts"
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