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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by turbinerneiter »

dmart wrote: post #26
turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

I remember that roughly 5 or 6 years ago, when I wanted them to delete my apple id, I had to call them. On the phone. And the guy told me, "if we delete your apple id, you will not be able to sign up with this mail again". I only realized after hanging up how little sense this makes.

It makes perfect sense, in order to prevent someone else from registering your old @icloud.com email address and impersonating you or performing password resets.

That does make sense, but I remember him talking about my gmail address. Not even sure I had an icloud email. But I could very well remember that wrong.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by nielsbot »

winternett wrote: post #12

Apple... Now protecting people's privacy much faster than the government... 0-60 real quick. But on the other hand, I think they should also carefully disclose the info they collect at their OS level... Just another case of that old CYA.

I think they do? Although it may be buried in several settings screens...

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by Despegar »

jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

The App Store policies were always for the benefit of customers (and Apple). These policies will keep happening because the basic incentive of Apple's business model has been unchanged since 2008.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by core-utility »

madars wrote: post #4
gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

That's my biggest use case for Privacy.com. I care less about the privacy aspect and more about the convenience. I've already had once instance where a single-use card I created for 1 specific vendor started getting fraudulent hits (declines) and all I had to do was delete that card.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

core-utility wrote: post #35
madars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

That's my biggest use case for Privacy.com. I care less about the privacy aspect and more about the convenience. I've already had once instance where a single-use card I created for 1 specific vendor started getting fraudulent hits (declines) and all I had to do was delete that card.

> all I had to do was delete that card

Careful. If you didn’t properly terminate the contract, you still owe that money. I have a friend whose credit got hit because a service sold his debt to a collector.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by ahefner »

hashmymustache wrote: post #22
madars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

That’s every newspaper online. And gym memberships. And many others. Easy to get, pain in the ass to end.

I had no difficulty unsubscribing from The Washington Post.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by jb1991 »

gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use digitally.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by vineyardmike »

anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

Can you just delete the key and local data? Is the requirement to push that deletion to all other SSB instances?

Seems like a case where in 2021 this rule is good, but blocks the creation of new business/product/tools that don't confirm with the 2020 way of thinking... which is good for apple.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by jeroenhd »

anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system.

Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't see why this would be a problem.

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