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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by matheusmoreira »

wokwokwok wrote: post #134
h_anna_h wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, I would go as far as to argue that it is less toxic than reddit, twitter, and even HN.

Mmm... well, if you're received what you consider to be toxic interactions on twitter, reddit and even here, but not on 4chan, have you considered that the common factor is perhaps not that all of these platforms are toxic... ...but that your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people? Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform here hostile a…

> your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people

What I consider problematic is the fact these people will organize massive efforts on Twitter to ruin other people's lives because they posted wrongthink. They make the 4chan raids I've seen look amateurish.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by ryandrake »

lopis wrote: post #185
gverrilla wrote: post #171

I don't understand it: these companies have enormous funding, an army of employees, and they can't provide the service reliably (both regarding consistency and safety). What all these coders do all day? I'm asking as an uninformed party of course. But it looks to me like these are companies that build bridges, and their bridges are collapsing all the time.

What do you mean? You think all coders are security engineers? All code has dependencies, often dozens of them. You might just need a single vulnerability in a trusted third party library to allow this to happen. These are humans creating these products. I would say that SPECIALLY because of the size of these products, vulnerabilities are inevitable.

> What do you mean? You think all coders are security engineers?

Now, imagine using that argument when a bridge falls down. "What do you mean? You think all the bridge builders were safety engineers? Bridge components rely on different dependencies, often dozens at the same time. You just need one point of failure and boom, it collapses. These are humans creating these bridges. I would say that SPECIALLY because of the size of these bridges, collapses are inevitable."

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by h_anna_h »

alphabetting wrote: post #168
h_anna_h wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, I would go as far as to argue that it is less toxic than reddit, twitter, and even HN.

maybe on streamers with less than 50 viewers. every twitch stream i've seen the chat is easily 100x more toxic than any HN thread. ridiculous comparison

Huh? I am not talking about twitch. If anything this just shows that you disagree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28771025 which is the post that I am replying to.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by baud147258 »

lbhdc wrote: post #158
junon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't the product. I was going to compete with Steam at one point and we had objectively better systems and a better client. The problem was the critical mass issue - no users, no publishers, neither want to join without the other. Amazon will definitely get publishers but will users join? That's not a given.

I would imagine they would attempt to secure exclusive rights to a popular title and only distribute it from their new platform. I believe that is what epic did when they launched their store.

Epic did that, plus giving away loads of free games, like a new free game every two weeks.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by madeofpalk »

_u wrote: post #147

One of the leaked directories is called event-engineering/covfefe. Haven't had the time to torrent the file. I wonder what's inside.

# Covfefe RTMP relay utility

This is also a project to enable me to learn go so is probably over-engineered

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by falcolas »

boringg wrote: post #196
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #31

Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazo…

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by the gross earnings for the top 5 earners given how much the media has ben hyping the money made by e-gamers. For some reason I would have thought they would make more money over 2 years. Top earner was grossing $ 9.6M ($4.8M/yr), 10th was $2.9M($1.4M/yr), at 81 you drop below $1M (500k/yr) on twitch pre-tax revenue. After 81 you drop below the %1M over two years threshold. Actu…

Before commenting on how much revenue this seems to be for the streamer, remember that most streamers hire and maintain staff. Preach Gaming, for example, has 6 full time staff. Angry Joe is somewhere around 8. Critical Roll’s website lists 24 employees, plus more who are likely not credited.

Paying all that talent adds up.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by sbarre »

bluecatswim wrote: post #177
sbarre wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty harsh moral/value judgment on how someone chooses to spend their entertainment money. What about comedy clubs? If I buy a ticket to see Dave Chappelle, who is clearly wealthy, am I sucker too? What about paying cover at my local bar because a local band is playing that night? What about buying tickets to a baseball game, to see a bunch of millionaires play a game for a few hours? You are making it see…

Sorry, I didn't mean that in a derogatory way. I just meant twitch users pay for the sake of giving money to their favorite streamers rather than paying for a product. Strip clubs are the first example that came to my mind, bands or comics also stand. My point was that OP's argument about comparing twitch to movies doesn't make sense because paying for a movie is no different than paying for groceries.

> I just meant twitch users pay for the sake of giving money to their favorite streamers rather than paying for a product.

I still think this is a narrow view.

So you don't consider a performance to be a product?

How is going to the movies different from going to a baseball game or a concert or a comedy club?

If those are like movies, and movies are like groceries, are we not back to the same point that people are exchanging money for some kind of benefit, whether it's a tangible thing they take home or an experience they enjoy?

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Post by bogwog »

y4mi wrote: post #48
hkai wrote: post #33

Is this the first major porn site to be hacked?

Twitch is not porn. It's maybe a gateway to onlyfans, but you cannot have sexual content on twitch. Even YouTube allows more nudity then twitch. So yes, there are girls wearing bikinis and underwear on camera, but that's as far as it goes.

It's called "softcore porn".

> Even YouTube allows more nudity then twitch.

Nudity alone is not pornographic.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by h_anna_h »

wokwokwok wrote: post #134
h_anna_h wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, I would go as far as to argue that it is less toxic than reddit, twitter, and even HN.

Mmm... well, if you're received what you consider to be toxic interactions on twitter, reddit and even here, but not on 4chan, have you considered that the common factor is perhaps not that all of these platforms are toxic... ...but that your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people? Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform here hostile a…

People on 4chan will call you slurs and insults but it is never personal, part of it is due to the anonymous nature. People here will be personally vicious and hostile.

> ...but that your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people?

You do not know what my views are. It's as if you are trying to prove me right honestly. (btw, I am not posting on reddit nor on twitter, nor 4chan for that matter)

Plus the same could be said for the toxic interactions that you had on there.

> Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform here hostile and toxic.

Again, same thing for you. "Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform there hostile and toxic."

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