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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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I really wish they went with a logo that was a bit more different than that of a literal trash company ( https://www.republicservices.com )

They just replaced the Rs in the logo with Fs. What a joke.

I agree with the parent, but this a weirdly hostile take on this subject.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#72
I was listening to a popular media personality talking about a third party to fix our problems. It struck me as the wrong way. It would end up as just another political entity that is compromised by dogma, fanatics, money, corruption. No matter how well intentioned. I feel like it would be better to popularize the stigmatization of parties, drain the corrupt party establishments of their cash and support, and make it culturally acceptable to just support bills and politicians you like and not support ones you don’t like. I think ranked voting is good and maybe more direct voting on items instead of people.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Big time fail not making cannabis legalization a top-line plank in their platform.

It's overwhelmingly popular, and because this party (like every third party) is doomed to be a spoiler at best, they could attract enough voters with cannabis legalization to perform (optimistically) in the high single digits instead of the high fractions of a digit. High single digits is enough to swing elections, which is enough to force the major parties to adopt the popular elements of your platform.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Only if you have kids. Not so universal.

I’m suddenly imagining a Dickensian market for orphans in a future of ever more generous child tax credits.

This is the reason why many unscrupulous couples decide to start fostering kids, btw.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Ugh I support electoral reform, but why the obsession with ranked choice? It is the second WORST voting system after first past the post, which is what we have now.

Ranked choice has a lot of advantages over the alternatives that are often underestimated by people too worried about theory. The big advantage of ranked choice is that it is simple to understand and implement. In elections, it is essential that the average person understand exactly how the system works. An election result that people don't understand/trust is worse than useless.

Approval voting is simpler, doesn't require ballots to change and has the same effect in practice (but not in theory).

I'd be surprised if an average person finds ranked choice voting to be simpler to understand than approval or FPTP.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#76

One thing people misunderstand about third parties is that they don't need to win. If they're structured correctly (this is by far the most difficult bit), they can have significant political influence without ever winning a single election. For example, love him or hate him, Ralph Nader probably swayed the 2000 Election and had incredible influence over the outcome (for better or worse). Coming back to the Forward P…

The main issue is that third parties often have the opposite effect that their supporters want. They draw voters from the more aligned main party, causing that aligned main party to lose elections. Third parties hurt the interests of their own supporters. There are good reasons why the Democratic Party tends to support the Libertarian Party and the Republican Party tends to support the Green Party [1]. 1. https://www…

> They draw voters from the more aligned main party, causing that aligned main party to lose elections.

That is the entire point! The mainstream political party won't address particular issues unless it feel that it position in power is threatened.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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The US already received a more politically palatable form of UBI when the automatic child tax credit hit. Couples making up to 400k get money direct deposited every month per child. 0% chance this will ever be rescinded. I would say Yang introduced an issue single-handedly into the conversation and it was implemented quite quickly without any discussion because of the unique pandemic situation. Will be interesting to…

Tax breaks are not the same thing as "money direct deposited every month".

It's disbursed on a monthly basis by check or direct deposit, even if it is a tax credit.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m suddenly imagining a Dickensian market for orphans in a future of ever more generous child tax credits.

This is the reason why many unscrupulous couples decide to start fostering kids, btw.

Yeah, but I was joking. This is sad.
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