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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by _-david-_ »

seibelj wrote: post #3
aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

The US already received a more politically palatable form of UBI when the automatic child tax credit hit. Couples making up to 400k get money direct deposited every month per child. 0% chance this will ever be rescinded. I would say Yang introduced an issue single-handedly into the conversation and it was implemented quite quickly without any discussion because of the unique pandemic situation. Will be interesting to…

Tax breaks are not the same thing as "money direct deposited every month".

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by endisneigh »

One thing people misunderstand about third parties is that they don't need to win. If they're structured correctly (this is by far the most difficult bit), they can have significant political influence without ever winning a single election.

For example, love him or hate him, Ralph Nader probably swayed the 2000 Election and had incredible influence over the outcome (for better or worse).

Coming back to the Forward Party - what I'd personally want is some minor third party that has a series of very modest goals to complete each year. If this party can complete said goals in a grassroot manner in succession every year I believe they'd eventually be a dominant (third party) player.

I think third parties should focus on minor results and less on rhetoric. Unfortunately this is very difficult to do in modern American politics. Oh well.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by bpodgursky »

_-david-_ wrote: post #11
seibelj wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US already received a more politically palatable form of UBI when the automatic child tax credit hit. Couples making up to 400k get money direct deposited every month per child. 0% chance this will ever be rescinded. I would say Yang introduced an issue single-handedly into the conversation and it was implemented quite quickly without any discussion because of the unique pandemic situation. Will be interesting to…

Tax breaks are not the same thing as "money direct deposited every month".

It's a refundable tax credit... this is actually the same as cash.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by tryptophan »

a_t48 wrote: post #6
aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

I'm tempted to back them purely for Ranked Choice Voting. Will be keeping an eye on this for the future.

Ugh I support electoral reform, but why the obsession with ranked choice?

It is the second WORST voting system after first past the post, which is what we have now.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by AzzieElbab »

yur3i__ wrote: post #8

I did have interest in Andrew yang, but I think leaving the democratic party has drastically decreased his chances of making significant political moves unfortunately

It is obvious he is not interested in moves that can be made as part of the Democratic Party

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bpodgursky wrote: post #13
_-david-_ wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tax breaks are not the same thing as "money direct deposited every month".

It's a refundable tax credit... this is actually the same as cash.

Only if you have kids. Not so universal.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by jrm4 »

Meh.

Look, I hope people begin to understand that "ideas" in politics are just about as valuable as "ideas" in the IT field; which is to say -- they're fun to have and they can be exciting, but they're also pretty much worthless without execution.

A tough lesson: If you support a presidential candidate because of their ideas, you're unlikely to get very far.

The President usually needs to be like the boring CEO of the established company; you need a Tim Cook, not an aspiring Steve Jobs.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by darkmatterrat »

bpodgursky wrote: post #7
rektide wrote: post #4

I like a large amount of this platform but I don't trust this guy & if this goes anywhere he's going to so wreak electoral havoc that will doom him & his natural (& most recent) allies chances harshly.

That's a weird stance. I don't know that I'd vote for Andrew Yang, but I trust him to speak honestly about what he would do if elected more than almost any other politician.

Why? As the old joke goes, if a politicians lips are moving they are lying.
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