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It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
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Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hired someone well educated from a Top Ivy League university but they had no motivation whatsoever. I tried my best, gave them everything they wanted (money, work style, tools, training) but they just wouldn't want to be motivated and we failed collectively. They were very smart otherwise and definitely could learn the skills. When I am hiring, for me the biggest things are motivation, curiosity and caring for your…
It isn't that people from Ivy League universities are unmotivated, it is that those people has so many options that unless you are a top company you almost surely wont see them unless there is something wrong with them. > When I am hiring, for me the biggest things are motivation, curiosity and caring for your own career. If you don't show me those traits, I am very hesitant to hire you. Yet you just explained that y…
Yep pretty much.
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#73The problem with this phrasing is it implies that motivation is an inherent aspect of individuals. Nobody is a do-er. Motivation is impacted by a variety of factors.
> Nobody is a do-er. Motivation is impacted by a variety of factors.
Many people are motivated by the satisfaction of getting things done and working together with others toward accomplishing something.
There are many people who are motivating more or less by doing. The people who would still be coding in their spare time if programming jobs paid minimum wage simply because they enjoy doing it.
Counterintuitively, you usually have to pay those people more because they're usually in the highest demand.
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#74Where does taking the code from Bethesda falls into that?
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#75This is why I don't like when bigco's interview process discounts candidates' open source contributions; it's the only proof of someone being a "do-er!"
As an example, it's pretty hard to fake that you're a top contributor to an open source project.
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#76As a mediocre frontend dev, this hits hard. I bought a bunch of texts to up my DS&A and college level math skills as I'd like to eventually be able to excecute on 3D animation in the browser, but the books end up sitting on my desk as I consider I'm too old/there're too many people who _do_ have these skills already, etc.
Never measure yourself by others. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday. You'll always be happier with yourself than you were yesterday and eventually you'll look up and realize someone is looking up to you. This is especially relevant now as we have instant exposure to the best of the best of any field simply by opening a social media app.
> Never measure yourself by others.
Yeah this is something I definitely struggle with
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#77Alternative take: in the hiring process education is often used as a proxy for motivation, when actually it only proves that once upon a time someone was motivated long enough to get educated, but it doesn't actually say anything about their present state in terms of motivation. A 'Do-er' is at least at present motivated, and educating them will get them to the desired combination of education+motivation in the prese…
I remember the joel spolsky hiring article. He wants: smart, gets things done EDIT: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/10/25/the-guerrilla-guid... on the other hand, here was the quote on choosing officers, which might be a different position altogther: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord#Cl...
Thanks for that quote about officers, it's excellent! Indeed hardworking and stupid are dangerous. I'm not sure if clever and lazy should be put at the top, but they will often find the best solutions.
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hired someone well educated from a Top Ivy League university but they had no motivation whatsoever. I tried my best, gave them everything they wanted (money, work style, tools, training) but they just wouldn't want to be motivated and we failed collectively. They were very smart otherwise and definitely could learn the skills. When I am hiring, for me the biggest things are motivation, curiosity and caring for your…
> I meet a lot of candidates who have no idea why they applied, what they want in life for themselves but are just randoming sending their Resume hoping it sticks. Yeah, well, while I'm working on that I still need to put food on the table, so I'll apologize ahead of time for faking like I give a rats ass about a career long enough to get through the interview process.
Indeed. Having a career of some sort isn’t optional if you want a decent life.
I suspect those candidates know very well why they applied. It just is a socially demanded requirement that they don’t give that particular reason.
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#79Alternative take: in the hiring process education is often used as a proxy for motivation, when actually it only proves that once upon a time someone was motivated long enough to get educated, but it doesn't actually say anything about their present state in terms of motivation. A 'Do-er' is at least at present motivated, and educating them will get them to the desired combination of education+motivation in the prese…
I hired someone well educated from a Top Ivy League university but they had no motivation whatsoever. I tried my best, gave them everything they wanted (money, work style, tools, training) but they just wouldn't want to be motivated and we failed collectively. They were very smart otherwise and definitely could learn the skills. When I am hiring, for me the biggest things are motivation, curiosity and caring for your…
> caring for your own career.
It is often the problem that employers equate "caring for your career" to "caring for my company's profits".
Re: It is easier to educate a Do-er than to motivate the educated
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
What sort of 3D animation do you want to do? If you're talking about shaders, you might be doing yourself a disservice with the bottom-up approach. In my opinion, learning to use math functions as tools rather than having a deep understanding of how they work is an equally valid approach. I know several great WebGL developers who really aren't very good at math. Consider the following definitions of the dot product:…
(The second definition is also wrong – it's true only for unit vectors.)
That's why I wrote "as long as they're unit vectors" in my definition.