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she was not a technical employee, and she will be set for life in ngo, media, or political career fields. facebook has many enemies. she has probably correctly calculated that she will not actually suffer any negative consequences for this; good for her
many enemies? Like who please?
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Each "team" accuses the other of being authoritarian. So, when blue team is in charge, the reds think of themselves as anti-authoritarian. When red team is in charge, the blues think of themselves as anti-authoritarian. Basically, it's a rhetorical ploy to gain a few cheap points: When the side in charge does something you don't like, just call them "authoritarians," and your cause, whatever it is, becomes more appea…
Except what you are saying is not really true. Most conservatives want to reduce government power, not extend it. The left, on the other hand, universally wants to extend government reach. I would recommend reading "The Authoritarian Moment" which goes into detail as to how the left are basically winning: https://www.amazon.com/Authoritarian-Moment-Weaponized-Ameri... To quote from the book's introduction: "There are…
Well, except for abortion. And official support for Christianity, in various kinds. And, of course, the military, the biggest part of big government and big government power. And keeping the poors and minorities in their places. And conversely, the rich in their place.
But yeah, they'd want to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, the Postal Service, the EPA, OSHA, and all that froo-fraw that gets in the way of true Americans.
("But, but, but, no true conservative..." Don't go there. Trust me.)
"A small number of leftists—college-educated, coastal, and uncompromising—have not just taken over the Democratic Party but our corporations, our universities, our scientific establishment, our cultural institutions. And they have used their newfound power to silence their opposition."
I'm just going to leave that one lay there.
No, I'm not.
Darn those leftists with their college education and science and their book learnin' and their economic productivity! They've squashed anyone who disagrees with them, oppressing us right-thinking, red-blooded Americans past the point of tolerance! Why, we've had to gerrymander the hell out of the place to keep them from crawling in and hiding in the pantries!
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I grew up on an internet community that railed against age restrictions for video games and content blockers for children. Bypassing school content blockers was a perennial favorite topic. I have to admit it’s surreal to see proposals like this on some of those same sites that advocated for freedom and deferring to parental choice: > Require age verification by law and ban kids from using it. We ban kids from alcohol…
I'm with you, though, I have a fairly controversial opinion on FB and social media in general. I think Facebook is just the result you get when the general public participates in online discourse. I believe the algorithms may in some cases magnify certain discussions that many deem "dangerous," but mostly, it's just that people have zero empathy when conversing online. If you've seen Parks and Rec, the scenes from th…
This isn't really the case. 4chan is pretty heavily moderated, it just has different strategies than most forums, e.g. quarantining toxic or off-topic opinions in containment boards rather than having all content in a single centralized feed.
The site has plenty of rules and ban-able offenses, and each board has their own rules and ban-able offenses on top of that -- and then there's board-level etiquette which can cause a post to get ignored or not, and even thread-level etiquette for whether your post within a recurring general thread will get replies or not, all of which can be described as moderation in some form. Site culture as a whole tends to be more prickly than most due to total anonymity, chronological (rather than vote-based) post ordering, and inherited countercultural origins, rather than any lack of moderation.
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You cannot use heartland institute as a source. If the claim is that it is leftwing because they are supported by the working class than the republican party is leftwing/socialist which is hard to take seriously. As for your question the easiest and clearest example would be Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte of Chile that was supported by the right wing forces in the US, including Milton Friedman. I would encourage…
I am happy to look at things from both sides. When I asked who are the rightwing authoritarians, I wanted answers that I could use to look things up. As for Hitler, I believe he was left wing for the following reasons: He pushed socialist programs like universal health care, welfare, government job creation, etc.. He was anti-established religion, including Christianity. He said that when he was done with Judaism, Ch…
(Tongue firmly in cheek.)
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That's the dismissive rhetoric that got us here. At this point we know that Facebook intentionally manipulates people's moods and behavior... and it's impossible for the average person to be aware of how they're being manipulated, because it's proprietary Facebook data. The algorithm itself is likely so complex that no individual within Facebook understands the full impact of it. They hire researchers to study the ou…
Everything around us is designed to manipulate our mood and behavior. * The Oreo's packing looks so inciting but the food offers nearly 0 nutritional value. * The ad for that new game looks so cool but my time would but better spent on almost anything else. * That car is so fast but it would be cheaper and better for the environment to drive a Prius. I would rather have the freedom to choose poorly than have the Gove…
* You know that ad you're seeing is an ad because it's regulated by the government; the ad itself often must contain disclosures
* The government heavily regulates fuel economy and car safety (though the effects of lobbying often slows it down)
You've picked some terrible examples.
In this case Facebook is making recommendations through a completely opaque algorithm. The output of these algorithms have been shown to radicalize people in numerous different studies.
Recently it's come to light that Facebook has done its own studies, which show things like a proclivity for instagram to recommend content to teenage girls that promotes eating disorders. They've allegedly sat on this data and have done nothing to improve safety. Instagram today has admitted this problem and apologized due to public scrutiny.
One suggestion that the whistleblower mentioned today is transparency and oversight into why content is being recommended to you. This dovetails rather well into existing government regulation, and seems completely reasonable.
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I am happy to look at things from both sides. When I asked who are the rightwing authoritarians, I wanted answers that I could use to look things up. As for Hitler, I believe he was left wing for the following reasons: He pushed socialist programs like universal health care, welfare, government job creation, etc.. He was anti-established religion, including Christianity. He said that when he was done with Judaism, Ch…
Plus he strongly supported the Soviet Union, particularly with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. (Tongue firmly in cheek.)
Hitler hated communism because he believed it was invented by Jews. Marx's parents were Jews, although Marx himself did not identify as Jewish in the slightest. Communism also didn't fit with Hitler's views views on Aryan superiority.
To quote from answers here: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Hitler-hate-Communism
"From what we can tell, Hitler hated communism because it was a system that emphasized class struggle over national and racial struggle. He saw it as a system that was developed by the Jews to deliberately undermine both national unity and racial purity.
Interestingly enough, Hitler did not apparently have a problem with the economic aspects of communism, or at least most of them. His party was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and they successfully competed for many of the same workers the Communists wanted to win over. The Nazi flag had a red background because it was a socialist movement, albeit one that emphasized socialism within the nation while those outside the nation were viewed with varying levels of inferiority".
So again, Hitler held views fairly adjacent to communism, putting him clearly in leftwing territory.
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#657Personally I believe this all boils down to 'Platform Lock-in'. I have to use Facebook because everybody I know uses Facebook. Just like when I was younger I preferred Playstation but had to buy an Xbox because all my friends had Xbox. Nowa days we have CrossPlay across platforms. If I could use a social media platform which has an approach to Privacy I prefer, while still being able to view my friends social integra…
> I have to use Facebook because everybody I know uses Facebook. Just like when I was younger I preferred Playstation but had to buy an Xbox because all my friends had Xbox. This speaks more about lack of self-control than anything else.
I have to use Facebook over another platform because other platforms don't have my friends and families content on it.
Feel like you intentionally missed the point for a quip to sound superior.
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There are people who have done precisely that (to quite excruciating detail I might add :-) with the informed legal and civics background that I could only dream of: Check [0] and her bible. It is calm, meticulous deconstruction of what is happening, why, and why it is wrong. Forming a consensus (imho this can easily span the traditional political spectrum as it affects literally everybody - its not frequently you ge…
Can you summarize her policy position? The Wikipedia article doesn't list her specific recommendations. From my point of view, the elite consensus is that there should be some body of "responsible" people that decides what opinions the general public is allowed to express to a broad audience. Any idea control of this kind is totally unacceptable no matter what form it takes.
I don't think the issue of controlling information flow (which is a political hot potato) has much to do with the legitimacy or not of this business model. E.g., Newspapers are obviously controlling flow, may have biases from sponsors, advertisers etc but they do not create user profiles by collecting all the private data they can get access to, they do not modify news shown based on profiles and (in any democracy) there is a wide variety of them and you can always choose which one to read.
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Age-Surveillance-Capitalism-Future-Fr...
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#659Something is very fishy here. The whistleblower here is incredibly liberal. She's working with a law firm with a long history of liberal bias including relations to the Trump impeachment. She has raised bias concerns with past employers. Similarly, there was a 60min documentary lined up within 24 hours after her whistle blowing. Now we have a congressional meeting only 72hr later. So far as I can tell, her solution t…
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Except what you are saying is not really true. Most conservatives want to reduce government power, not extend it. The left, on the other hand, universally wants to extend government reach. I would recommend reading "The Authoritarian Moment" which goes into detail as to how the left are basically winning: https://www.amazon.com/Authoritarian-Moment-Weaponized-Ameri... To quote from the book's introduction: "There are…
" Except what you are saying is not really true. Most conservatives want to reduce government power, not extend it. The left, on the other hand, universally wants to extend government reach. " Well, except for abortion. And official support for Christianity, in various kinds. And, of course, the military, the biggest part of big government and big government power. And keeping the poors and minorities in their places…
The right frame anti-abortion as pro-life. Do you consider murder laws authoritarian? Pro- and anti-abortion arguments are both grounded in morality, but claiming one is more authoritarian than the other is showing willful ignorance as to what the right believes.
> And official support for Christianity.
There is practically zero scientific evidence backing the transgender movement. Or the world-view that western civilization is systemically-racist. Or the left's views on sexual norms and marriage. Yet these and other woke ideologies are taught in public schools with support from the Biden administration and national teacher's unions. Wokeness is a terrible state religion, much worse than Christianity ever was.
> And, of course, the military, the biggest part of big government and big government power.
Wanting a strong military does is not the same as wanting authoritarian government that controls every aspect of our lives. You can have a minimal government with a large military, or an authoritarian government with a small military.
> And keeping the poors and minorities in their places.
The left wish they were the righteous ones helping the poor and minorities. I'd suggest reading the first essay in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. He argues strongly that the "white saviours" that are liberals have made the plight of minorities far worse than had they never intervened. As Sowell often emphasizes, results matter more than good intentions.
> And conversely, the rich in their place.
Biden's spending spree and proposed tax increases will hurt the middle class the most. Socialism and communism are the great equalizers; they eventually make everyone poor except a few elite that are connected to the government.
> But yeah, they'd want to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, the Postal Service, the EPA, OSHA, and all that froo-fraw that gets in the way of true Americans.
I don't even know how to address this straw man argument.
> Darn those leftists with their college education and science and their book learnin' and their economic productivity!
Thomas Sowell calls you folks the "intelligenstia". I suggest you read "Intellectuals and Society". The arrogance of America's ruling oligarchy and intellectual elite will be a major contributor to our country's destruction or downfall.