That can explain their slowness yesterday!
Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
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#52Why, in conversations about chat apps, does telegram get brought up so frequently as a private alternative? Is it not also mostly proprietary the same as whatsapp/messenger whatever? Is it just a matter of a dislike for facebook?
PR. And not being owned by FB.
Telegram actually do have ecosystem of open source clients, but on other side E2EE is opt-in that no one uses.
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#53That can explain their slow service yesterday!
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be a no-go for me too... if I had a phone number. These days, it's actually surprisingly hard to get a free email account without having to provide a phone number.
how do you live life without a phone number?
I did it for a year in Japan, not easy but doable. I also hate giving out my phone number. It's just another way for companies to track users.
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#55Why, in conversations about chat apps, does telegram get brought up so frequently as a private alternative? Is it not also mostly proprietary the same as whatsapp/messenger whatever? Is it just a matter of a dislike for facebook?
The clients are open source, which provides better assurances around the E2E encryption than whatsapp.
Except who the hell even use E2EE on Telegram?
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#56Why, in conversations about chat apps, does telegram get brought up so frequently as a private alternative? Is it not also mostly proprietary the same as whatsapp/messenger whatever? Is it just a matter of a dislike for facebook?
The clients are open source, which provides better assurances around the E2E encryption than whatsapp.
Note that telegram chats are not e2e encrypted by default.
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#57So, maybe <5% of WhatsApp users. Bit less headline grabbing when put that way. Not saying that its completely insignificant number, but considering that most likely all of them will not be leaving WA, or even staying on Telegram, it doesn't sound like major thing either.
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#58Some of my closest friends and I moved to Telegram a few months ago. It's actually quite good. I've to be on WhatsApp as it'd be a pain to teach parents how to use a new app!
It's much more convenient indeed, just be aware (I kinda trust that you, being on HN, already are) that it's all encrypted-to-the-server, so any sysadmin can read or hand over your messages. Choosing between known metadata gathering on WhatsApp and a potential Telegram data breach (intentional or unintentional), it's really a devil's dilemma for me.
Since a few months (now that Telegram has failed to deliver on the encryption promise and profit model for many years, making it a bit too shady) I've been moving more and more to Signal (after also trying Keybase, Threema, Wire, Riot/Element, Jami/Ring, and evaluating others), but man usability and features really take a hit with any of them. Enjoy Telegram, but be aware of the trade-off!
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#59And one day later close to none of them are messaging over Telegram
I've seen this comment repeated about 4 or 5 times in the last 30 minutes. HN is not a place for vacuous and lame comments like these.
Re: Telegram founder says over 70M new users joined during Facebook outage
#60I'm actually quite thrilled that end users found a way to communicate in spite of "the everyday solution" being down. That gives me some hope that smaller vendors do stand a chance against incumbents, even in Facebook's space.
Well, not sure how much smaller vendors have a chance when it takes a historic amount of downtime for this to happen.
The chance is a window of 2 to 24 hours every decade, but you’re not sure it will happen… After that, customers go back to the leader.