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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #178
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #175

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In a sense, I am just putting words together. Would you accept a variation of 1984 dystopia? I don't think I am wrong here, but I am willing to go over differences.

Does it alarm you? That's what I really want to know.

No. I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality. Its not sensible. Worse, it is not how the world works. You won't even get appropriate approximation of reality that way. If it was a simple 1 and 0, we would have better simulations by now.

So.. no. It does not alarm me. It helps that I don't fit your model very well.

But your thought process does interest me.

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Post by WriterGuy2021 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #181
WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it alarm you? That's what I really want to know.

No. I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality. Its not sensible. Worse, it is not how the world works. You won't even get appropriate approximation of reality that way. If it was a simple 1 and 0, we would have better simulations by now. So.. no. It does not alarm me. It helps that I don't fit your model ver…

Now just imagine saying all these things as a mad man stands before you with a knife. Suddenly the world becomes more real than it ever has been and all these abstract things you say to your friends in cyberspace become utter nonsense as they offer you no assistance in navigating the mortal danger you find yourself in.

The mad mad has you by the throat, you feel his cold steel press up against your virgin neck. Your last words: "I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality."

My ultimate point in this exchange with you is that violence has a real sobering effect on the mind. It's a great filter of sense and nonsense.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #182
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality. Its not sensible. Worse, it is not how the world works. You won't even get appropriate approximation of reality that way. If it was a simple 1 and 0, we would have better simulations by now. So.. no. It does not alarm me. It helps that I don't fit your model ver…

Now just imagine saying all these things as a mad man stands before you with a knife. Suddenly the world becomes more real than it ever has been and all these abstract things you say to your friends in cyberspace become utter nonsense as they offer you no assistance in navigating the mortal danger you find yourself in. The mad mad has you by the throat, you feel his cold steel press up against your virgin neck. Your…

It is both good and bad that we don't seem to have more data on near death experiences. I mean actual research on mental impact and so on. I see some articles but the ones I found are relatively old.

Anecdotally, I had 3 NDEs and as the adage goes in the immortal words of Dr.House nearly dying changes everything for about three weeks. And it sounds about right in retrospect. I returned to normality fast. It sobered me enough to survive, but not enough to redefine my whole world around me in terms of domestication.

I don't want to assume, but I think you are extrapolating to a society from a single encounter. It would seem you over-corrected.

Just to further complicate this discussion, as an atheist, I do not yelp 'sweet entropy'. But it goes back to my original point. Things are complicated and you are making them more complicated by pretending they are simple:P

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Post by WriterGuy2021 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #183
WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now just imagine saying all these things as a mad man stands before you with a knife. Suddenly the world becomes more real than it ever has been and all these abstract things you say to your friends in cyberspace become utter nonsense as they offer you no assistance in navigating the mortal danger you find yourself in. The mad mad has you by the throat, you feel his cold steel press up against your virgin neck. Your…

It is both good and bad that we don't seem to have more data on near death experiences. I mean actual research on mental impact and so on. I see some articles but the ones I found are relatively old. Anecdotally, I had 3 NDEs and as the adage goes in the immortal words of Dr.House nearly dying changes everything for about three weeks. And it sounds about right in retrospect. I returned to normality fast. It sobered m…

So... just to remind ourselves how we got here. The parent comment was a poster talking about how his wife paid no mind to the potential threats posed by the big tech surveillance state. I then made a few comments explaining my thoughts on why she is like this. "She doesn't care because she's domesticated: she isn't used to thinking about violence and danger." That was my point. Then I went on further to talk about how people are more-or-less defined by this "domesticated" property and how there are others that seem to be "undomesticated" in the sense that they are more familiar with violence. And that this property dictates what thoughts are available to one's awareness. The domesticated being more limited in what they can think because they lack an understanding of violence.

I don't think anything I've said is particularly strange. If you parse "domesticated" into slave and "undomesticated" into master...then you'd end up with a very traditional worldview in which masters operate on a different level than slaves -- the latter subordinate to the former. The latent thesis in all this is that an intimate understanding of violence is what separates master from slave.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #184
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is both good and bad that we don't seem to have more data on near death experiences. I mean actual research on mental impact and so on. I see some articles but the ones I found are relatively old. Anecdotally, I had 3 NDEs and as the adage goes in the immortal words of Dr.House nearly dying changes everything for about three weeks. And it sounds about right in retrospect. I returned to normality fast. It sobered m…

So... just to remind ourselves how we got here. The parent comment was a poster talking about how his wife paid no mind to the potential threats posed by the big tech surveillance state. I then made a few comments explaining my thoughts on why she is like this. "She doesn't care because she's domesticated: she isn't used to thinking about violence and danger." That was my point. Then I went on further to talk about h…

I think I will need to think on it a little more. Since I checked your links a little, I would be mildly interested in what formed your opinion. Could you share books that are relevant from your perspective here?

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Post by WriterGuy2021 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #185
WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... just to remind ourselves how we got here. The parent comment was a poster talking about how his wife paid no mind to the potential threats posed by the big tech surveillance state. I then made a few comments explaining my thoughts on why she is like this. "She doesn't care because she's domesticated: she isn't used to thinking about violence and danger." That was my point. Then I went on further to talk about h…

I think I will need to think on it a little more. Since I checked your links a little, I would be mildly interested in what formed your opinion. Could you share books that are relevant from your perspective here?

"The Genealogy of Morals" by Nietzsche with the reminder that I am using "violence" in the way he uses "power." Power is just the civilized word for violence.

And this is what I consider to be a cipher from his "Thus Spoke Zarathustra:"

“But it is the same with man as with the tree. The more he seeks to rise into the height and light, the more vigorously do his roots struggle earthword, downword, into the dark, the deep - into evil.”

Also "The Golden Bough" by Frazer if you can read between the lines.

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Post by celsoazevedo »

panarky wrote: post #161
celsoazevedo wrote: post #122

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Did you mean to reply to someone else? Because as explained, DDG didn't implement any censorship.

If I use DDG outside of China, and its results are sanitized of anything that offends the CCP, I will hold DDG accountable for that. It doesn't matter if under the hood DDG sources search results from somewhere else, DDG is the one serving me censored results. DDG "implemented" censorship. DDG is accountable.

From my point of view, there's a difference between displaying censored results from a 3rd party and implementing censorship. In this case, Microsoft / Bing censored their results and everyone relying on their results passed the censored results along.

No doubt this is bad, but we know who did the censoring (Microsoft). DDG? I guess we can blame them for using a bad source and for not double checking stuff like this (if that's even possible/viable)?

Anyway, what to use instead? The main alt search engines usually use Bing (DDG, Qwant, Ecosia, Yahoo Search, etc). The only one I'm aware that uses a different source is Startpage (they use Google), but now they're owned by an ad tech company (why not stick with Google in that case?). There's also Brave Search (they have their own index, but also include results from Google and Bing if you want), but it's still in beta and I'm not sure if it's ready yet for prime time.

So... no Bing or Bing-powered search engines. What's left? Yandex? Maybe some Searx instance (which never worked that well for my needs)? Going back to Google?

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Post by tomcam »

WriterGuy2021 wrote: post #164
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #154

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I think I disagree in several different ways. I am personally highly domesticated. I accept that without society there are a lot of things I would not be able to do ( engaging with random strangers on HN come to mind -- in a lot of ways, it is pleasure and a privilege to have time to engage in an intellectual discussion ). But I disagree with your definition that the defining aspect of domestication is surrendering o…

My point is: your wife doesn't feel responsible for your personal safety. Here's the difference between a domesticated person who expects someone else to protect them, i.e., do their violence for them, and someone that feels responsible for their own safety. Domesticated: works for a major corporation in a big city. Has no guns, no means of personally protecting himself, lives in close proximity to strangers, and if…

> makes a plan to kill everyone he meets.

Clarification needed

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Post by rapjr9 »

Uke wrote: post #159
Gentil wrote: post #155

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Sir, I would ask your wife if it is OK to share all the usernames and passwords of all websites she has signed up to a stranger. And if she says NO, ask her if she wont share what she know are in her field of view, how can she be sure about the things/data she don't know about knowing big corps put money over your interest at first? Also - https://www.privacytools.io/

hm, i think that page needs to be updated. They suggest protonmail for email and it has been shown, that they will do ip-logs etc.

All the email services they recommend are outside the USA also which means for USA residents it is guaranteed the NSA will be keeping a copy in case they can decrypt it later and will have copies of all your unencrypted emails.

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Post by a_large_rat01 »

stickfigure wrote: post #176
a_large_rat00 wrote: post #119

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Does your ideology radically change over your life? Why would theirs? They judge with their own biases, and are often out of touch with public sentiment. They're just people, and in case of at least one, a rapist with powerful friends. A bigger court elected by the people could help solve that problem. Not lifetime appointments with zero accountability. The Supremes are just another fascist and anti democratic instit…

You have a very peculiar view of language if you think that elected officials are less political than ones that are appointed for life.

Lifetime appointments just mean they get to force THEIR politics on the rest of us, instead of being accountable to ours. It doesn't make them magically apolitical. They are partisan hacks appointed by shitty legislators elected by an antiquated electoral system participated in by a disenchanted and uneducated mass. The Supreme Court doesn't have a great track record of being some sort of enlightened wise guru above the fray, they're very much a part of the broken model of American representative democracy and its inability to cope with the issues of modernity.

(sorry, new account BTW, lost the last password)

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