Live data from Hacker News

Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

forbes.com

121–130 of 198 posts

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#121

As a person neither leaning East nor West who is an avid HN reader it's always interesting to read the comments under such topics where the collusion between US private companies come up. Comparing it to the reactions when tenous connections between Chinese companies and the CCP are characterised as a threat to freedom and human rights. It reminds me to be wary of my own biases. Because from where I stand they are al…

Courts in the US are generally quite independent of the political process. Abuse of the court system is prosecuted fairly heavily. This is "rule of law". On the other hand, courts in China do whatever the CCP tells them. These are not equivalent.

> Courts in the US are generally quite independent of the political process.

I'm not sure what to make of this statement.

To become a judge at the federal level is a deeply political process. Judges are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Nominated judges are usually the same political party as the president but must also be acceptable to at least a majority of senators, and there is often some bargaining to make this work. Every SCOTUS nomination in recent history has had senators question nominees on their political opinions. Federal courts frequently break along ideological lines such that the balance of liberals to conservatives on a court is important to parties and voters. Some state courts mirror this, with the governor nominating and a legislature confirming. How could this process be described as apolitical?

This is different from an apolitical process where a neutral body like a bureaucracy or bar association selects judges based on merit. The US is distinct from many European countries in this regard.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was caused by Microsoft (DDG uses Bing search results): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/04/microsoft... Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make them look good, but the problem was the with the source of their results, not them censoring "tank man".

No thanks, I prefer a search engine that doesn't implement Chinese censorship when I'm not in China.

Did you mean to reply to someone else? Because as explained, DDG didn't implement any censorship.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#124

From my perspective, this ability was generally assumed to be true but confirmation is interesting. Heck, it’s even a running stand-up joke. “Ask your wife if you can look up something on her phone. Google “How to kill your husband” and hand it back to her. Congrats, you’re safe for another month!

Yeah, honestly, this kind of thing slightly terrifies me. I know I have definitely Googled for totally random things that, when taken out of context, would look pretty bad. I remember once watching a show where someone was knocked out with chloroform, and I googled something like "Does chloroform really work?" or "Can you really knock someone out with chloroform?" I turned to my partner and joked "You better not be h…

[deleted]

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a bit like the police asking the library who checked out a specific book. And you have no problem with this? Government and police looking into and judging you based on what you read is one step away from policing wrongthink. You can't learn anything deemed dangerous anymore without being arrested. Can't look up how a bomb or sarin gas works without SWAT coming down on you because you're obviously a terrorist.…

I think the library warranty thing depends. If the government wants to find out who checked out the Communist Manifesto so they can jail them for thought crime - that's bad. If the police want to know who checked out this specific copy of Harry Potter because they found it at the scene of a murder, that's good. Sure, I might've just dropped my copy of Harry Potter near a murder as I innocently passed by. And yeah, I…

There's an in between situation where someone is looking for correlations with a crime, but they are simply searching so much data, that they inevitably get a huge number of very close, but invalid matches.

This tends to be a problem more and more with ever increasing databases that are convenient to access.

People have intuitions for coincidences that are not appropriate for vast amounts of data.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#126
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's certainly not a bright line in any American jurisdiction. Courts can and do order the production of library loan records. In general an American court can order the disclosure of any record maintained anywhere by anyone for any purpose. There are no records that are private and privileged against a court order, with a few narrow exceptions. The police can't order someone to produce anything; they need a court…

Hmm, this appears to be a relatively new power. https://www.propublica.org/article/remember-when-the-patriot...

Wasn't there a fuss about Robert Bork (Supreme Court nominee) having his video rental records disclosed? Long before the Patriot Act.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#129
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe I have to argue that there is a difference between always tracking everything by default and only turning on tracking once a warrant arrives. In one case, you track everything. In the other case, you don't track everything. But you have the ability to turn on logging when required (like, for example, with a warrant). > As if they can't give data created before a court order This is surprisingly simple…

https://protonmail.com/security-details They literally claim they're "unable" to give data to 3rd parties. Another claim is that they have secure features for activists and journalists. The trust is broken...

This entire comment chain started because you said

>For the record, I have no issue with Protonmail

And I called that out because it was obviously untrue based on the rest of your comment. Now you say

>The trust is broken...

Which sort of proves my whole point to begin with.

Re: Google keyword warrants give U.S. government data on search users

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a bit like the police asking the library who checked out a specific book. And you have no problem with this? Government and police looking into and judging you based on what you read is one step away from policing wrongthink. You can't learn anything deemed dangerous anymore without being arrested. Can't look up how a bomb or sarin gas works without SWAT coming down on you because you're obviously a terrorist.…

They said “specific” book, which I take to mean “we found this book at a crime scene, can you tell us who checked it out?” Not, “I want to know everyone who checked out war and peace this year.” But after thinking about it, I think they meant the former and you meant the latter. But to the library, it’s the exact same thing. A library doesn’t (traditionally) track each and every book, so if it’s a popular book, it co…

Libraries track books individually. If you and I each check out a copy of War and Peace, and you turn yours in on time but I don’t, they know who to pester.

I think there’s a continuum from the cops being able to say “we found this here book at a crime scene, who had it checked out?”, which should clearly be allowed, to “the security footage shows a copy of War and Peace with the libraries sticker on it in the crooks hand, who had it checked out”, which should probably be allowed, to “we need to know everybody who checked out The Anarchists Cookbook in the last six months because the crook used an IED thats described in there”, which probably should be allowed.

Post reply on HN