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Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by cedilla » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:53 PM UTC

Factorium wrote: post #24

CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

Life continued as normal in Sweden, Russia, Belarus... the pandemic 'response' was driven by the media and politicians. If there is surge of deaths in nursing homes (typically 50% of COVID deaths), it has no impact on the rest of the economy. Many of those same politicians later benefitted to tune of millions of dollars from advance knowledge of federal bank intervention in markets. If there was no lockdown, this opp…

Life didn't continue in Sweden for about 14,000 people that died to COVID due to the lack of proper response, or hundreds of thousands with long COVID.

Sweden had the best requisites to come out of the pandemic largely unscathed, like its neighbour Norway. Instead they decided to just let people get sick and die.

edit: The nonsense about Vitamin D at the end is almost hilarious. We're talking about Sweden, right? The country on the Arctic Circle?

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by Gwarzo » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

stadium wrote: post #48

Factorium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life continued as normal in Sweden, Russia, Belarus... the pandemic 'response' was driven by the media and politicians. If there is surge of deaths in nursing homes (typically 50% of COVID deaths), it has no impact on the rest of the economy. Many of those same politicians later benefitted to tune of millions of dollars from advance knowledge of federal bank intervention in markets. If there was no lockdown, this opp…

> Its likely that lockdowns worsen COVID Please stop spreading conspiracy theories as fact. It is literally killing people.

In all fairness he presented this as "it's likely".

Your own statement "conspiracy theories are killing people" is also a bit of a non fact.

While the result of believing in conspiracy theories have no doubt lead to someones death, somewhere; presenting it as a serious problem whose root effect is "Death" is incredibly silly.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by skocznymroczny » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #46

Factorium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life continued as normal in Sweden, Russia, Belarus... the pandemic 'response' was driven by the media and politicians. If there is surge of deaths in nursing homes (typically 50% of COVID deaths), it has no impact on the rest of the economy. Many of those same politicians later benefitted to tune of millions of dollars from advance knowledge of federal bank intervention in markets. If there was no lockdown, this opp…

Your last paragraph demonstrates a number of profound and fundamental misunderstandings. First, herd immunity does not benefit from more bodies per se. You are portraying it as some sort of wall, where taking members out of the wall reduces the effectiveness. It is not like that at all. The proportion of previously exposed individuals required for herd immunity effects goes down as the frequency of potential spreadin…

Clear data? How many people get tested for influenza? How many people which had influenza got tested for covid and got a positive result? If I went to my doctor last winter, told him I have strong fever and cough, he'll either send me to get a PCR test for covid, or no test, just tell me it's probably covid and I should stay home and monitor symptoms. In such case most flu cases would just be assumed covid, and that's where the reduction is coming from.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by pixl97 » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

I disagree, the system has been unstable for years, this was just the first Black Swan that happened to land and sent it crashing to the ground. This was always going to happen. Taleb et al have been warning about the fragility of our systems for decades now and that JIT and long supply chains have made things even worse.

You're taking the wrong lesson from lockdowns.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by skocznymroczny » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #49

Factorium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life continued as normal in Sweden, Russia, Belarus... the pandemic 'response' was driven by the media and politicians. If there is surge of deaths in nursing homes (typically 50% of COVID deaths), it has no impact on the rest of the economy. Many of those same politicians later benefitted to tune of millions of dollars from advance knowledge of federal bank intervention in markets. If there was no lockdown, this opp…

Why is blatant misinformation and conspiracy theory allowed on HN?

HN used to attract people who value personal freedom and freedom of speech. Seems like not anymore, like other online societies it fell victim to 'curb liberties for greater good' philosophy. Unfortunately for them, almost every single authoritarian or even totalitarian system uses the same excuse.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by nicoburns » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

antiSingularity wrote: post #39

nicoburns wrote: post #36

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Even if the factory workers didn't die (some would, but most of them wouldn't have) there would still have been significant disruption if large parts of the workforce were off sick for several weeks.

You mean, sick with that disease that's asymptomatic some huge proportion of the time? And has very little effect on most working-age people?

I'm 28, and I'd say a good proportion of my (similarly aged) friends in London (say half) have had covid bad enough that they were off work and doing very little for at least a week by this point. And not everyone of working age is that young (and the older people are often the most experienced). Relatives in their 40s and 50s have often had it worse for several weeks and only able to work for some of that time due to working from home. Fewer of them seem to have gotten it, but that only seems to be because they were more careful about isolating and got the vaccine sooner.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by dagw » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 3:01 PM UTC

switch007 wrote: post #45

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #37

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Demand for cars is way up, too, which isn’t expected in lockdown conditions.

Really? With governments saying avoid public transport and encouraging people to work remotely which caused a huge number of people to move to the countryside where public transport is largely non existent therefore requiring cars.

Plus, with airplanes and international travel being off limits, the number of people going on road trips for their vacations has no doubt greatly increased.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by hcknwscommenter » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

skocznymroczny wrote: post #53

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your last paragraph demonstrates a number of profound and fundamental misunderstandings. First, herd immunity does not benefit from more bodies per se. You are portraying it as some sort of wall, where taking members out of the wall reduces the effectiveness. It is not like that at all. The proportion of previously exposed individuals required for herd immunity effects goes down as the frequency of potential spreadin…

Clear data? How many people get tested for influenza? How many people which had influenza got tested for covid and got a positive result? If I went to my doctor last winter, told him I have strong fever and cough, he'll either send me to get a PCR test for covid, or no test, just tell me it's probably covid and I should stay home and monitor symptoms. In such case most flu cases would just be assumed covid, and that'…

More profound misunderstanding. Influenza tests exists and are deployed at scale. In the US, I assure you that anyone in the hospital with a high fever of unknown origin is tested for several influenza variants. No one just "assumes" covid. That is total and complete nonsense. We have clear data on influenza hospitalizations (edit: and deaths) and the numbers are way way down.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by analog31 » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

People would have locked themselves down. My work group bailed a week before the lockdowns began. Of course some people would have locked down by dying. It was really a choice of an organized lockdown or a disorganized one.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by kaibee » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 3:04 PM UTC

Gwarzo wrote: post #52

stadium wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its likely that lockdowns worsen COVID Please stop spreading conspiracy theories as fact. It is literally killing people.

In all fairness he presented this as "it's likely". Your own statement "conspiracy theories are killing people" is also a bit of a non fact. While the result of believing in conspiracy theories have no doubt lead to someones death, somewhere; presenting it as a serious problem whose root effect is "Death" is incredibly silly.

The vast majority (95%+ afaik?) of deaths at this point is among the unvaccinated. Any reason to not get the vaccine is a 'conspiracy theory' unless you were literally directed not to by your doctor. You can literally measure the amount of people dying per day as a result of vaccine related conspiracy theories.