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Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by yodelshady »

sbierwagen wrote: post #57
fho wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am neither American nor a gun nerd, but from what I "overheard" on the internet a single Phalanx system should be able to take out drone swarms at incredible rates?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440924 >>The Block 1A and newer (pneumatic driven) CIWS mounts fire at a rate of 4,500 rounds per minute with a 1,550-round magazine. >>Shells fired by the Phalanx cost around $30 each and the gun typically fires 100 or more when engaging a target.[14] >So it's about three grand to zap one drone, and you get 15 shootdowns before a human needs to shovel more ammo into the turret.…

It should certainly be possible to develop and use a cheaper anti-drone system than a Phalanx, but that requires a static specification to develop against. The attacker's advantage seems to be that defenders doesn't have that yet.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by chrismorgan »

IshKebab wrote: post #77
chrismorgan wrote: post #47

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> It looks like they all start attempting to land before their batteries run out, around the same time... That doesn’t immediately sound very plausible to me (as a layman who’s never dealt with drones but has dealt with battery-powered devices): I can’t imagine auto-power-down being based on flight time: surely it would be driven by battery voltage measurements, since batteries vary somewhat to begin with and vary a…

> surely it would be driven by battery voltage measurements No, it's driven by a battery management system that measures battery voltage, temperature and input/output current in order to get a more accurate estimate.

Yeah, I didn’t mean to convey that battery voltage measurements would be the only factor, but I didn’t end up actually expressing that. Thanks for the clarification. Certainly the concept still applies: it’s driven by physical factors, not just time.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by virtualritz »

mixxit wrote: post #56

```In the novel The Diamond Age, author Neal Stephenson posits a future in which the world is divided into competing nation-tribes, or phyles. The most powerful of these phyles have extensive nanotechnology capabilities, and use nanotech in various ways to gain an edge over their competitors and neighbors. Most notably, they create various sorts of airborne nanotech robots -- known as mites -- to infiltrate one anoth…

> Most notably, they create various sorts of airborne nanotech robots -- known as mites -- to infiltrate one another's territory and perform espionage or sabotage

I suggest Stanisław Lem’s “Weapon systems of the 21st century.”

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by yissp »

fho wrote: post #67
sbierwagen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440924 >>The Block 1A and newer (pneumatic driven) CIWS mounts fire at a rate of 4,500 rounds per minute with a 1,550-round magazine. >>Shells fired by the Phalanx cost around $30 each and the gun typically fires 100 or more when engaging a target.[14] >So it's about three grand to zap one drone, and you get 15 shootdowns before a human needs to shovel more ammo into the turret.…

> shells fired by the Phalanx cost around $30 each That's pretty crazy to think of ... I guess the only justification for that is that the assets that are protected by such a system are worth more than that. > You could imagine firing fewer rounds per salvo If I learned anything from games, it's that you want AoE damage for swarming enemies ;-)

it costs $27,000 to fire this weapon... for 12 seconds.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by MR4D »

saargrin wrote: post #97
mixxit wrote: post #56

```In the novel The Diamond Age, author Neal Stephenson posits a future in which the world is divided into competing nation-tribes, or phyles. The most powerful of these phyles have extensive nanotechnology capabilities, and use nanotech in various ways to gain an edge over their competitors and neighbors. Most notably, they create various sorts of airborne nanotech robots -- known as mites -- to infiltrate one anoth…

i think diamond age is going to become a reality ,as might most of his other imagined societies ...

In some ways, Cryptonomicon already has become reality. We have bitcoin used as national currency in Central America, and things like stable coins (probably the closest real world analogue to the gold backed crypto in the book).

I think this is one of the reasons he has such a loyal following - he gets current tech trends and knows how to extrapolate it into the future very well.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by [deleted] »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #64
toxik wrote: post #48

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> these drones were initially designed as an airborne sentry or surveillance tool. So probably developed in part by people who had no idea they were building weapons.

Not really. The Turkish drone projects were created basically because Turkish engineers looked at all the drone stuff happening in the west and went "look at all these idiot westerners using all these amazing weapons as toys". Everyone who joined those companies knew from the start what field they were in. And while the original Kargus didn't have explosives, that doesn't mean they weren't weapons. In the military se…

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Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by Barrin92 »

kwonkicker wrote: post #29
curiousgal wrote: post #17

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Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

I believe nobody said "evil boogyman". But saying "government controlled" isn't much of a stretch for any Chinese company. I expect they do have some level of "de facto" control on over any company operating in the Mainland

then you've probably never worked in the Chinese tech sector because it is the literal Wild West. The competitor manipulation story in this case is utterly believable to anyone who has ever seen in what kind of quasi feudal wars Chinese tech companies are often engaged, because there is virtually no government oversight. Regulators on the mainland were generally so far behind the curve that tech companies until very recently more or less did whatever they wanted, which accounts for their enormous growth over the last two decades.

About ten years ago there was the infamous "3Q war" where Tencent and Qihoo engaged in pretty ridiculous measures over the messenger market by blocking each others usage on consumer machines when the other one was installed, orchestrating fake media articles about pornography, police raids and at some point calling on users to go into a general strike. The war basically only ended because at some point the government stepped in and for the first time enforced anti-trust law.

This has changed to some degree but China's tech sector always was so hilariously under-regulated it makes most Western countries look socialist in comparison

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by tacocataco »

fho wrote: post #96
hoseja wrote: post #91

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Or just load up birdshot haha.

Birdshot at 100 shots per second ;-) Second thought: is there something like a "constant airgun"? Where you just drop in pellets from a hopper into a high speed airstream?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC-F_7QXtk

Like this?

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by LostInTheWoods »

jl6 wrote: post #45
narrator wrote: post #33

For those who like drone dystopia nightmare fuel, this video made me think of this disturbing modern weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu :/

What defence could, say, a traditional military base, mount against a swarm of, say, 1000 of these?

Beside a swarm of your own, a Phalanx canon would come in handy.
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