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Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Post by d1sxeyes »

timellis-smith wrote: post #173
ben_w wrote: post #147

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Leave.EU Group Limited: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... Conclusion: Leave.EU was ultimately fined £66,000 in total after their appeal. Vote Leave Ltd: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... Conclusion: commission found evidence, issued fines, most significant fines appealed, commission lost appeal and paid costs. Investigation into payments made to Better for t…

I'm genuinely confused by this: In 2018, Grimes was fined £20,000 by the Electoral Commission after it determined that there was evidence that BeLeave had spent more than £675,000 with the Canadian political consultancy firm AggregateIQ in coordination with the official Brexit campaign organisation Vote Leave in distribution targeted social media advertisements.[24] The Commission argued that these actions violated e…

So the difference is that there were two fines issued for the same offence - one for 61K and one for 20K.

The specific offence was that there was collusion between BeLeave and Vote Leave which ultimately meant that money spent by BeLeave was actually supporting Vote Leave's campaign, which was not lawful.

Both 'parties' were fined - Vote Leave and BeLeave/Darren Grimes.

The judge who overturned Grimes's fine did not pass judgement on whether the spending was lawful or not.

The appeal was upheld based on the ruling that the Electoral Commission had not properly done their homework to prove BeLeave's legal status, or justify the maximum fine permissible for Grimes - essentially a procedural error, rather than a factual error.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Post by ben_w »

bluGill wrote: post #337
brianwawok wrote: post #299

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They also dye diesel, the dye shows no tax was paid so you get in poo-poo if you try to drive on public roads with it https://www.ricochetfuel.com/blog/dyed-diesel-fuel-vs-regula...

Farmers tend to have more than one grade of fuel. dyed diesel is the most common grade because there is no road tax. Farmers that aren't close to town (most of them) are likely to have undyed diesel for their trucks as well. Gasoline is somewhat common - though gasoline tractors went out of style around 1960, sometimes there is a car that never goes to town, lawnmowers, ATVs... It depends on the farm what they keep o…

This story is about the UK, and in the UK everyone is close to town by American standards. Heck, the tiny rural nowhere I rented for 5 months after Uni was still… huh, Google says 4.4 miles from the University itself.

By UK standards, it was the middle of nowhere.

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Post by bayesian_horse »

hermitcrab wrote: post #269
eCa wrote: post #84

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I don’t think it’s reasonable to equate reddit with other EU member states. As an EU citizen I’m sorry that UK left. And I do hope that things will not get much worse in the UK, though I fear they might. I do think that brexit is the biggest self-inflicted harm a country has voluntarily done to itself in a really long time.

>I do think that brexit is the biggest self-inflicted harm a country has voluntarily done to itself in a really long time. As someone who lives in the UK, I agree.

POTUS Donald J. Trump is a tough competition, though.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Post by fsslrisrchr »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #315
fsslrisrchr wrote: post #266

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As an Italian citizen, I hope for Poland to leave so my country's net transfers less money to the eastern countries and will, hopefully, encourage Italy to grow a pair and leave

Italy's economy is almost an integral part of the EU, so Italy leaving would probably end the EU as a whole. Italy's economy would hardly survive both being cut off from the trade union and its major trade partners taking a plunge. And the point of "net transfers" is to build up markets in less developed parts of Europe. No European country benefits from what is happening in Poland right now.

I didn't say I want Italy to be an economic island. Isolationism has been against Italian economic interests since, at least, the renaissance. Probably since Magna Graecia.

Italy doesn't need a Lisbon Treaty bound EU to trade with its neighbors. Italy didn't need it in the 1400s, and it didn't need it in the 60s. In neither periods was Italy under the Lisbon Treaty.

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Post by thinkingemote »

OJFord wrote: post #152
thinkingemote wrote: post #116

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We were also told to prepare to self isolate a family for 2 weeks. That's a bunch of toilet roll for a normal sized family needed to stock up on. When internet deliveries were restricted to just the vulnerable too. Almost all "panic buying" is calm and rational.

> When internet deliveries were restricted to just the vulnerable too. That never happened? Perhaps new sign-ups (at the company's discretion)? I had groceries delivered before the pandemic and continued throughout, only affect was that for a few months slots would be booked up weeks in advance of normal, so had to plan ahead more.

Exactly, booked up for weeks, so to plan you had to buy in the shops in bulk before a slot became available to your family of 4

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Post by CRConrad »

ben_w wrote: post #162
ectopod wrote: post #126

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The UK joined in '73. After the terms were finalised there was a referendum in '75 where the public agreed to stay in. "Never given any kind of referendum" is far fetched.

One thing I’ve noticed a lot of in the last five years, has been that the thing being objected to by a Leave supporter can vary from the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[0] to the Lisbon treaty. When it’s half the country each way, you’re going to get a lot of people with very different ideas on what they voted for even at the best of times; with two different competing leave campaigns and shockingly inept…

> I’ve tried to engage with someone who blamed “the EU” for Russia annexing the Ukraine.

You mean someone blamed the EU for what Russia did under Catherine the Great (or whenever it was they originally annexed the Ukraine), or you mean someone blamed the EU for Russia annexing Crimea in 2014?

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Post by CRConrad »

Scarblac wrote: post #177
brightball wrote: post #64

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Just an observation. Ever since the announcement it seems like various groups on Reddit and elsewhere want to celebrate every difficulty that the UK experiences.

Yes, but there's no need for any punishment on top of what Brexit is.

And there is no "punishment" beyond Brexit itself: All the "punishment" is just Britain getting exactly what it asked for.

The laughing and snide comments are just A) Schadenfreude at being so stupid as to ask for that "punishment", and B) intense annoyance growing into anger at the fuckwittery of whining about "punishment" for getting what one asked for.

As such, it's all utterly well-deserved IMO.

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Post by ben_w »

CRConrad wrote: post #346
ben_w wrote: post #162

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One thing I’ve noticed a lot of in the last five years, has been that the thing being objected to by a Leave supporter can vary from the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[0] to the Lisbon treaty. When it’s half the country each way, you’re going to get a lot of people with very different ideas on what they voted for even at the best of times; with two different competing leave campaigns and shockingly inept…

> I’ve tried to engage with someone who blamed “the EU” for Russia annexing the Ukraine. You mean someone blamed the EU for what Russia did under Catherine the Great (or whenever it was they originally annexed the Ukraine), or you mean someone blamed the EU for Russia annexing Crimea in 2014?

Good spot! Yes, Crimea.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Post by CRConrad »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #76
brightball wrote: post #28

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You definitely get the impression that the other EU members intend to punish the UK for leaving.

I definitely sense a smug air of "this is all your fault and you deserve every ounce of pain for leaving. Let that be a lesson to you!"

Yeah, so? It is all their fault and they deserve every ounce of pain for leaving. Nobody to blame but themselves, the nitwits.

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Post by CRConrad »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #307
evgen wrote: post #304

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'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

>" 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party." Yep! This is exactly the kind of sentiment I was talking about.

> Yep! This is exactly the kind of sentiment I was talking about.

No, you were talking about "smug" EU remainers / still-in-the-EU citizens, weren't you? The people who "voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party" are the Brexiteers.

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