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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

gnat wrote: post #78
decrypt wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that most folks aren't aware is that Cloudflare registrar requires usage of their nameservers. It's understandable, they are selling domains without a markup and need to make money in other ways. For those that want to use a custom nameserver, Porkbun is a great choice.

What is their business model around having your DNS traffic? Selling your "who looked you up and how many times" data? I am struggling to see what secondary income this enables.

It makes it extremely easy (and therefore more likely) to use CloudFlare as a CDN/DDoS protection. Just a simple toggle, if they're your DNS server.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by acdha »

NullPrefix wrote: post #90
acdha wrote: post #43

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CDNs have existed since the 90s so everyone's had time to get used to it. The part which I think you're over-weighting is that this is not a third-party stranger but a third-party with whom you have a legal relationship — the use-cases for a CDN require external termination, otherwise you don't rent one, and the contracts commit to keeping it secure. For a business, there are tons of trust relationships you handle th…

>you trust Microsoft not to ship a trojan in Windows Speak for yourself, mate.

a) it was one of multiple examples b) do you personally run a business this way and, if so, how's that working out relative to the competition? My point was simply that all businesses have some parties they trust on the theory that they'll sue if a contractual agreement is broken. It's too expensive not to trust someone when you have no reasonable basis for expecting an attack and a solid legal basis for compensation if they did: if you dislike Microsoft, substitute Apple or Samsung, your bank, etc.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by SrslyJosh »

adventured wrote: post #32

> Welcome to the Web 3.0, where your software is decentralized and your users' data truly belongs to them. Nope.

> Web 3.0 also unlocks the Metaverse, a place where we trade in crypto and have NFTs as intellectual rights.

"Say the line, Bart!"

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by yellow_lead »

davedx wrote: post #31

"Cloudflare has announced their "Distributed Web Gateways" which should solve these problems. Developers will interact with HTTP calls, which CloudFlare will translate to PFS or Ethereum functions, while adding Cloudflare added-value services on the HTTP side." CloudFlare is well on its way to becoming the western version of the Great Firewall of China. Centralizing All The Things. Except instead of censorship, it'll…

A centralized distributed web gateway is truly disruption.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by nrook »

rudian wrote: post #56
nrook wrote: post #35

Cloudflare really is impressive. Who can forget when they disrupted the retro emulation scene, by protecting the website that drove a prominent emulation developer to suicide? Or when they disrupted Isla Vista by serving the sites where Elliot Rodger was radicalized?

One thing that concerned me is that CF kicked a few "bad actors" off their network One could argue that they have the right and/or duty to do that, but being closer and closer to a "internet backbone" provider, this can become scary. Would you like water to be cut off to "bad actors"?

This is a convenient ethical construction for Cloudflare: "Sure, our customers did terrible things, but really, the real lapse would be if we didn't accept money from them!" But it doesn't hold up. While everyone needs food and water, nobody needs a CDN.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by throwaway78981 »

aaomidi wrote: post #69
detaro wrote: post #52

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that doesn't address my point, since you can say the exact same about wherever the site is hosted unless you strictly self-host everything, which the vast majority of sites doesn't do.

To me there's a difference. Probably that terminating tls is base of CFs business model. Or that I'm just being illogical. No idea, just...don't like it.

You are not illogical:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28714516

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by jiveturkey »

gnat wrote: post #78
decrypt wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that most folks aren't aware is that Cloudflare registrar requires usage of their nameservers. It's understandable, they are selling domains without a markup and need to make money in other ways. For those that want to use a custom nameserver, Porkbun is a great choice.

What is their business model around having your DNS traffic? Selling your "who looked you up and how many times" data? I am struggling to see what secondary income this enables.

to own all the eggs

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by NicoJuicy »

wpietri wrote: post #70
snowwrestler wrote: post #45

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The R2 disruption is a reduction in cost. The target of the disruption is Amazon, a company that has decades of experience operating services at break-even or loss to acquire market share. Quite a lot of the coverage seems founded on the idea that the price difference is an unbridgeable moat for Cloudflare. IMO, let’s see. Amazon could lower prices, and/or Cloudflare might need to start charging someone something as…

This definitely isn't a disruption in the academic sense of the term: https://hbr.org/2015/12/what-is-disruptive-innovation But even in the casual sense I don't think it's disruptive. They've introduced a competing service at a modestly lower cost. This won't put AWS out of business. Customers won't switch away en masse. It even won't make a noticeable dent in AWS's quarterly revenues. So this isn't disruption. it's…

I think you are underestimating what it could do when they have a complete cloud offering.

And since there are no egress fees, there is no barrier to use a competing product that does something better.

It's like they are launching without vendor lock-in. So I do think it's disruptive, not based on costs alone.

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