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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Why is this downvoted? I understand the second paragraph might be slightly aggressive/inflammatory but the first paragraph alone is a legitimate critique. I would really appreciate if those who disagree would provide counter arguments, as both sides here offer the potential for an interesting (and important) dialogue about CF and their role in global Internet/WWW infrastructure.

Thank you. I appreciate you saying that the second paragraph is aggressive, but I think it would be naive to think that it isn't possible, or even probable - if there's money in play. A lot of anti-virus protection companies did do exactly this - create the viruses that made their products sell. Its really not without precedent.

>it would be naive to think that it isn't [...] probable

It's probable that Cloudflare is a sophisticated criminal enterprise maliciously DDoSing prospective and existing customers so that they sign up for their (typically free) DDoS mitigation service?

It's possible, but this weird logic of "if there's an incentive to do something bad, then someone's probably doing something bad" - with absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever - is the logic of conspiracy theories (e.g. 9/11 = inside job, Sandy Hook shooting = hoax, COVID-19 = fake virus to control the public).

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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The R2 disruption is a reduction in cost. The target of the disruption is Amazon, a company that has decades of experience operating services at break-even or loss to acquire market share. Quite a lot of the coverage seems founded on the idea that the price difference is an unbridgeable moat for Cloudflare. IMO, let’s see. Amazon could lower prices, and/or Cloudflare might need to start charging someone something as…

This definitely isn't a disruption in the academic sense of the term: https://hbr.org/2015/12/what-is-disruptive-innovation But even in the casual sense I don't think it's disruptive. They've introduced a competing service at a modestly lower cost. This won't put AWS out of business. Customers won't switch away en masse. It even won't make a noticeable dent in AWS's quarterly revenues. So this isn't disruption. it's…

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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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The R2 disruption is a reduction in cost. The target of the disruption is Amazon, a company that has decades of experience operating services at break-even or loss to acquire market share. Quite a lot of the coverage seems founded on the idea that the price difference is an unbridgeable moat for Cloudflare. IMO, let’s see. Amazon could lower prices, and/or Cloudflare might need to start charging someone something as…

This definitely isn't a disruption in the academic sense of the term: https://hbr.org/2015/12/what-is-disruptive-innovation But even in the casual sense I don't think it's disruptive. They've introduced a competing service at a modestly lower cost. This won't put AWS out of business. Customers won't switch away en masse. It even won't make a noticeable dent in AWS's quarterly revenues. So this isn't disruption. it's…

It's more than modestly lower though in some use cases.

https://twitter.com/quinnypig/status/1443028078196711426

Corey compares the cost of storing 1gb of data in s3 vs r2 and serving it to the internet:

> If 1 million people download that 1GB this month, my cost with @cloudflare R2 this way rounds up to 13¢. With @awscloud S3 it’s [$53,891.16]

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Cloudflare really is impressive. Who can forget when they disrupted the retro emulation scene, by protecting the website that drove a prominent emulation developer to suicide? Or when they disrupted Isla Vista by serving the sites where Elliot Rodger was radicalized?

One thing that concerned me is that CF kicked a few "bad actors" off their network One could argue that they have the right and/or duty to do that, but being closer and closer to a "internet backbone" provider, this can become scary. Would you like water to be cut off to "bad actors"?

I worked for one of the "bad actors" that was terminated by Cloudflare. To this day they have not provided anyone with a reason for the termination. To my knowledge, the site in question was not breaking any terms of service and when I asked customer support why the account had been terminated they pointed me to the clause that said something to the effect of "Cloudflare may terminate an account for any reason or no reason at all."

They also refused to provide a refund. I will never use Cloudflare again nor recommend them to any of my clients.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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One thing that most folks aren't aware is that Cloudflare registrar requires usage of their nameservers. It's understandable, they are selling domains without a markup and need to make money in other ways. For those that want to use a custom nameserver, Porkbun is a great choice.

What is their business model around having your DNS traffic? Selling your "who looked you up and how many times" data? I am struggling to see what secondary income this enables.

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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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I can't wait to read the small print when it comes to actual egress bandwidth pricing. I can't believe it's going to actually cost zero dollars for all use-cases.

How can they possibly nullify the bandwith costs?

extensive peering arrangements

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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I honestly think it'll get flooded with bad actors and they'll be forced to set limits (e.g. download rate limits, which probably wouldn't be in their best interest since it'd occupy a connection for longer).

Cf has really mature trust and safety as well as security teams and tools. I've no doubt they've taken bad actors into account considering all of the other offerings they have that have also attracted bad actors.

Yeah, 8chan definitely weren't bad actors and Cloudflare definitely didn't have to make a PR statement about booting them from their services.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

CDNs have existed since the 90s so everyone's had time to get used to it. The part which I think you're over-weighting is that this is not a third-party stranger but a third-party with whom you have a legal relationship — the use-cases for a CDN require external termination, otherwise you don't rent one, and the contracts commit to keeping it secure. For a business, there are tons of trust relationships you handle th…

>you trust Microsoft not to ship a trojan in Windows

Speak for yourself, mate.

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