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Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by kthejoker2 »

Bud wrote: post #46
nicolas_t wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give an example of unnecessary sex scenes? I watch netflix shows often enough and can't think of a show that had a unnecessary sex scenes every 6-8 minutes. The one "exception" that comes to mind with a lot of sex scenes are Sex Education and Sexify but for those shows the sex scenes are hardly unnecessary given the subject matter. I'm not trolling or trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely trying to…

This isn't really that hard. Bridgerton, for instance.

Lol 1 example out of 8,000 series, and you list the one that is explicitly developed for Harlequin romance readers.

If only you had named SexLife ...

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by unclenoriega »

jason0597 wrote: post #104
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #38

The article touches on this, but in the past three decades movie making has been "optimized" to the point that there has been a great deal of "convergence" of the movie formula down to just a couple major themes. Either you have general audience, big budget, Marvel-type movies, or you have designated Oscar-type fare, which as of late means something extremely depressing that says how bad humans are. "Horny sex" just…

>Not too sad, though, because I feel like the exact opposite has happened with TV, where the rise of streaming services has ushered in a "Cambrian Explosion" of sorts with all types of varied topics and interesting content. Can we even call it TV anymore? It's all streamed to our laptops our tablets

If we can rewind a Blu-ray, carbon copy someone on an email, and roll up a power window, I imagine we can stream our TV to our tablets just fine.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by quantified »

stared wrote: post #35

It saddens me that we live in a culture in which movies showing violence (including torture and murder) are acceptable, whereas ones showing consensual, non-pornographic intercourse - aren’t. You might argue that on Netflix every second movie have a lot of sex scenes. Yes, must mostly with partial or implied nudity (think of all of these scenes with sex with bra on, waking up clothed, or L-shaped sheets). At the same…

Right. I’d like to amplify this sentiment a bit. Killing, maiming, spilling blood and intestines, are all fine. So many examples. And yet two people making each other feel good in some way (whether horny release, tender support, making a baby, just fun) is immoral, unsuitable for “the children”, whatever.

I think that there is a case for people to be moral. The moralizers who are ok with bloody torture and not sex as part of the human condition discredit the concept of moral teaching.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by Joeboy »

Alex3917 wrote: post #92
Joeboy wrote: post #84

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Apologies. It seems like your link is your co-founder trying to promote his Hollywood startup, rather than an accurate assessment of how things are currently done in Hollywood.

I mean he is promoting the startup, it's an investor pitch. I don't read what he's saying as being inaccurate though.

It's an obviously absurd claim.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by quantified »

Zababa wrote: post #96
ravenstine wrote: post #75

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And when we do show sex, it's in ways where it's always "complicated". Sex, according to the mainstream, must involve some sort of transgressive participation. You must be committing adultery, or be "in the closet", or committing incest, or doing it with total disregard for responsibilities, or doing it in inappropriate circumstances, or by committing rape. Unless you're watching a deliberately romantic film, I don't…

That's a different point. People don't show "normal" sex in movies for the same reasons they don't show people eating, going to the toilet and that sort of stuff.

People eat in movies all the time. Hitting the toilet, no.

Guys don’t think about going to the toilet every few minutes for the majority of adulthood.

People’s hormonal drives don’t push them into social near-life decisions for other sorts of stuff besides sex.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by Zababa »

ravenstine wrote: post #108
Zababa wrote: post #96

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That's a different point. People don't show "normal" sex in movies for the same reasons they don't show people eating, going to the toilet and that sort of stuff.

You're taking my point to an extreme that obviously wasn't my intent. I never said that all sex in entertainment must be missionary position under sheets with the lights off between a Christian husband and wife. First of all, it's rather interesting that you equate sex to taking a shit . But also, what have you been watching to conclude that they don't show people eating on-screen? It's rather common, especially in f…

> I never said that all sex in entertainment must be missionary position under sheets with the lights off between a Christian husband and wife.

I don't think I've said that you said that either? My point was that they mostly show things that are relevant, and that since most movies focus on the extraordinary, regular sex is shown less and extraordinary sex is shown more.

> First of all, it's rather interesting that you equate sex to taking a shit.

Is it? I don't really see how.

> But also, what have you been watching to conclude that they don't show people eating on-screen? It's rather common, especially in film, to have characters eating real food. the primary reason it's not as frequent as in real life is because having actors eat food is actually a complicated thing to with multiple takes while maintaining continuity.

Again, food scenes are show when they are relevant. If you see a movie that happens on three days, you won't see people eat 9 times. You may see them eating once in the morning to show that the father doesn't have much time for his family, or something like that, but you won't see everything. The "ordinary stuff" is a small part of what happens in movies, because most movies aren't made to show it, they are made to show extreme things.

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Post by Joeboy »

ravenstine wrote: post #103
Koshkin wrote: post #85

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Would you find interesting a movie in which people shoot at cardboard figures instead of each other?

To suggest that films must feature graphic violence is like saying that comedy can't be funny unless it involves swearing.

No, but drama does require drama. People having a nice time together is not dramatic.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by quantified »

rajin444 wrote: post #79
mellavora wrote: post #43

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Fortunately we still have lots of violence, death, and torture. Because those are totally ok and normal things to be thinking about. Ug! Sex and love. that stuff is just too dangerous to let into the public imagination.

I don't think it's repressed because it's dangerous or immoral. Constant casual sex devalues a monogamous relationship. Many in our culture still place a lot of value on a monogamous relationship, so you see it reflected in media. I'm not religious and do not care at all about how other's live their lives. But I see value in a monogamous relationship, and see attitudes toward casual sex as a decent indicator in helpi…

Sex depicted in movies needn’t be casual or promiscuous. Not sure how those got brought in here.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by Ancapistani »

Bud wrote: post #53

Right-wingers complaining about there not being enough "sex" scenes in entertainment are so pathetic. The fact is there are are MORE sex scenes now than there ever were in the 80s and 90s, it's just that they've migrated more to streaming TV series that are too sophisticated for right-wingers to be viewing them en masse. Not to mention, of course, that there's also about 100x the availability of porn now, and Washing…

> they've migrated more to streaming TV series that are too sophisticated for right-wingers to be viewing them en masse.

A quick overview didn’t turn it up, but I recall a recent study that showed that people who self-identified as “right wing”, when asked to describe the beliefs of the “left wing”, were significantly more accurate than their “left wing” peers asked to describe “right wing” beliefs.

Your comment strikes me as exactly this sort of fallacy. It seems that you have built up a caricature that you believe to be true.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Post by Brian_K_White »

Zababa wrote: post #89
monkeyodeath wrote: post #86

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What, pray tell, constitutes "necessary" in art? People act like the only point of narrative work is to tell a story and advance a plot, forgetting that some of the greatest novels, plays, and movies of all time have creaky plots and barely-there stories, and plenty of "unnecessary" stuff.

I don't think the discussion is around "art", considering the examples given in the article. It's mostly about mass media.

Ok, so they should have asked "What constitutes 'necessary' in entertainment?"

So what? The new question with the approved honest accurate words, not like that original agenda'd deceptive one, still stands.

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