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Post by jacquesm » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 10:43 AM UTC

sul_tasto wrote: post #99

jsjohnst wrote: post #81

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For someone as active on HN as you, I’m surprised you don’t know of the numerous stories in the past about carriers selling location data to advertising networks and the numerous cases where the raw data has leaked publicly via careless aggregators[0]. Like even Congress got fired up on it at the time because of leaks, but you can be assured it’s still happening[2] despite claims otherwise. As to the precision argume…

I don’t understand why the FCCis mandating such accuracy. It seems like this is regulatory cover that then enables the tracking

911 location services, in case of emergency to be able to locate the caller.

Re: undefined

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Post by Consultant32452 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #95

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #86

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It's always regulation to blame to some folks. If only we could have more 'free market' somehow companies would no longer spy on their customers.

There’s regulation to protect human life, and then there’s regulation to protect business interests. The ”free market” advocates claim that the former are anti-competitive while they try their best to have the latter enacted.

You’re replying to a thread that disproves you.

It's possible for the state and big business to both be your enemy. In a country like the USA where big business owns the government that's often the case.

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Post by throwaway210222 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

robbedpeter wrote: post #97

gruez wrote: post #59

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>A trustless model in which the tower can provide a connection, know the relevant endpoint location on the tower hardware only but doesn't that mean you can still pinpoint people at the cell level? With cells being smaller in 5g networks, the problem is going to get worse.

Yes, so make it illegal for providers to send location data anywhere other than the tower hardware, and make it corporate suicide to collect the data, except at the individual level with a specific warrant.

> Make it illegal for providers to send location data anywhere other than the tower hardware.

The entire planet's mobile telephone system would then stop working.

As far back as GSM, your approximate location is continually updated in the HLR/HSS database (and VLR) so the the system knows where to send the MAP SS7 paging message to tell your phone to ring when someone calls you (or where to deliver a SMS).

Its a mobile network - it needs to know where you are.

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Post by barathr » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 2:48 AM UTC

yosito wrote: post #96

barathr wrote: post #29

This is a layered problem; Apple and Google (for better and worse) are best positioned to deal with the app ecosystem. But there's the mobile provider piece of this -- the tower knows where you are because currently it has to, and the network providers are part of this location data market, selling location data for everyone, whether they use leaky apps or not. This is worse with 5G due to smaller cells and thus fine…

I would love to know if/when there's an MVNO with international roaming that implements PGPP. Any recommendations on the best sources or topics to follow to stay on top of this kind of news?

We plan to announce it at invisv.com and here; we will at some point set up a private beta mailing list as well.