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Open source radios are the first step to privacy. We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to.

>We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to. How does that help? If you do that the best you can do is obfuscate your location by a mile.

That’s pretty good

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source radios are the first step to privacy. We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to.

>We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to. How does that help? If you do that the best you can do is obfuscate your location by a mile.

When Google does share location information with advertisers it is obfuscated to approx this range.

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source radios are the first step to privacy. We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to.

>We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to. How does that help? If you do that the best you can do is obfuscate your location by a mile.

A trustless model in which the tower can provide a connection, know the relevant endpoint location on the tower hardware only, and prevent any access to that data except to law enforcement with a valid warrant. Providers don't need location data. Put in place lethal penalties for violating data privacy - if a company is caught harvesting data outside legal limits, they get fined into oblivion, and the money is split between victims and enforcement.

Being a service provider shouldn't mean an unlimited license to spy on your customers. Being a big corporation shouldn't mean you get to ignore the rules applied to individuals.

We need better laws, and we need to exclude megacorps and megamoney from the legislative process.

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#56

How does data get off my smartphone? * Apps * Carrier geolocation * Bluetooth tracking Are there any others? If I disable location tracking then am I safe? I don't install crappy vendor apps on my smartphone to begin with.

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post #50

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>We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to. How does that help? If you do that the best you can do is obfuscate your location by a mile.

When Google does share location information with advertisers it is obfuscated to approx this range.

My personal understanding of this...... Show is that they never share my actual data but rather allow advertisers to target me based on these parameters, and if the advertiser is specific enough and get me to click I could potentially be identified by the ad.

Please prove me right.

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#58
post #29

This is a layered problem; Apple and Google (for better and worse) are best positioned to deal with the app ecosystem. But there's the mobile provider piece of this -- the tower knows where you are because currently it has to, and the network providers are part of this location data market, selling location data for everyone, whether they use leaky apps or not. This is worse with 5G due to smaller cells and thus fine…

Open source radios are the first step to privacy. We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to.

I've had fleeting interests in this area for a while now, but for a number of reasons have never managed to do much in it.

The standards are all open right, for modern mobile networks. Every time I see this topic come up there seems to be something about patents and entrenched oligopolies (i.e with Qualcomm). Is there any legal or IP issues raised from making open source modems for LTE/4G/5G/whatever networks.

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#59
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We need to be able to choose the towers we connect to. How does that help? If you do that the best you can do is obfuscate your location by a mile.

A trustless model in which the tower can provide a connection, know the relevant endpoint location on the tower hardware only, and prevent any access to that data except to law enforcement with a valid warrant. Providers don't need location data. Put in place lethal penalties for violating data privacy - if a company is caught harvesting data outside legal limits, they get fined into oblivion, and the money is split…

>A trustless model in which the tower can provide a connection, know the relevant endpoint location on the tower hardware only

but doesn't that mean you can still pinpoint people at the cell level? With cells being smaller in 5g networks, the problem is going to get worse.

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#60
post #4

Its good because that is what is paying for all these apps.

No. It is cancerous, because it erodes our privacy and degrades our user experience. And for developers, you are forced to enter the spy-on-your-users rat race because everyone expects free shit.

That's not why people enter the race, in my experience.

I remember years back talking to friends and people I knew who all said things like 'think of the data we're collecting' - nobody thought about asking the end user if they wanted that data collected.

It's not about 'oh no, I have to spy on my users;' the users aren't considered at all. If they are, there are patterns built to prevent them noticing and limit liability. It's pretty vile.

Ethically, you should only try collect the data you reasonably believe your users would be ok with you collecting if they knew as much as you did about what a bad actor could do with it, and you should ask them first.

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