It’s interesting that the OP didn’t also consider that people wear masks on bikes to block out truck and car fumes and other particles that tend to fly in your face. I rarely wear a helmet when biking, but there’s a noticeable benefit when I’m biking around traffic and don’t have to breath in car exhaust because I’m wearing a mask.
OP here - I was on the Stanford campus in 2016 and 2017, frequently riding my bike there. Never once saw a mask on a bike rider. Very little car traffic on the routes bicyclists regularly use to get around. Also a frequent bike rider in my new city of Dallas. Very rarely (if ever), have I seen a cyclist (even on roads) wear a mask. Very likely masks on the Stanford campus are in response to COVID.
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> to ban being fat or drinking alcohol. No, you can't. At least not unless you ignore research and still believe that weight gain and addiction are purely choices and can be morally condemned. See e.g. Addiction is a brain disease, and it matters: Leshner, A. I. (1997). Addiction is a brain disease, and it matters. Science (New York, N.Y.), 278(5335), 45–47. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.278.5335.45
Your amount of social interaction is also a choice that will dictate your ability to get Covid. Should be obvious that this is comparable to your example from the lockdowns that have been ineffective.
In the US they were ineffective half-measures with little to no real teeth. In other countries they mitigated the pandemic within weeks by having lockdowns that sustained the people and organizations affected and were strict enough to mean something. Saying "amount of social interaction is also a choice" is only true when the lockdowns were performative and the choice was given. And now the US, which is less than 5% of the world population, accounts 14% of all deaths due to COVID-19, not counting excess deaths.
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Or people with more dangerous routes are more likely to wear helmets. There's also some data to suggest that drivers are less careful around cyclists with helmets, e.g. passing them with less distance. Somewhat related, specifically in the context of requiring helmets there's also arguments that people dislike them enough that the reduction in cycling happening would have worse overall effects than the injury reducti…
That's an interesting question: similar to seatbelts causing more dangerous driving. Maybe. However, we're talking about on campus here, not riding down Mission in the City.
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Falling on a stationary bike is a lot easier than you'd imagine. And the extra foot off the ground that you will be, can easily add to the damage. I remember when I first started using clipless peddles, you free the foot on the wrong side, and odds are high you are hitting the ground. Stupid easy to do.
This is a trivially small amount of people. If it wasn’t - people wouldn’t even bother with learning how to clip in. They’d be like, “oh no, clipless pedals is what killed my pa back in ‘04.”
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Your amount of social interaction is also a choice that will dictate your ability to get Covid. Should be obvious that this is comparable to your example from the lockdowns that have been ineffective.
> the lockdowns that have been ineffective In the US they were ineffective half-measures with little to no real teeth. In other countries they mitigated the pandemic within weeks by having lockdowns that sustained the people and organizations affected and were strict enough to mean something. Saying "amount of social interaction is also a choice" is only true when the lockdowns were performative and the choice was gi…
Almost everything is a choice but we have a system setup to incentivize people to do certain actions more than others... making certain choices easier to take on than others. That's the problem I'm having with your argument. Present better and easier options for people and they will take them.
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I don't think I can underline this point enough. Helmets are just as effective on the slow/no speed fall as they are on the high speed ones. In many ways, I wouldn't be surprised if they are more effective there.
Humans have evolved reactions to protect their head when they fall at running speeds. For example, you instinctively throw out your arms to break the fall. It's when you are biking faster than a fast human can run that helmets become really necessary.
So, I can't say you are wrong, but I would love actual studies to settle this.
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You could also hit your head after tripping while walking, but people don’t wear helmets on walks. I think the point was that there is a comfortable level of risk people are willing to take. If you remove cars from the equation, then the perceived risk is much lower while biking.
Falling on a stationary bike is a lot easier than you'd imagine. And the extra foot off the ground that you will be, can easily add to the damage. I remember when I first started using clipless peddles, you free the foot on the wrong side, and odds are high you are hitting the ground. Stupid easy to do.
If you're doing some sort of recreational/sport biking, then ya, a lot more people are going to agree you should be wearing a helmet.
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Kali Lindsay? Victim of what? Either way it was her actions that led her to getting brain injuries.
> it was her actions Actions within a system in which better choices were not available. There's no reason to lay the blame at the feet of the victim in that system.
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> it was her actions Actions within a system in which better choices were not available. There's no reason to lay the blame at the feet of the victim in that system.
How was wearing a helmet not available?
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Falling on a stationary bike is a lot easier than you'd imagine. And the extra foot off the ground that you will be, can easily add to the damage. I remember when I first started using clipless peddles, you free the foot on the wrong side, and odds are high you are hitting the ground. Stupid easy to do.
Who's using clipless pedals to putt around their school campus? If you're doing some sort of recreational/sport biking, then ya, a lot more people are going to agree you should be wearing a helmet.
Around campus, problems from not balancing with a backpack are more likely.
Though, I do mean to say I don't think it is a certainty. Just that it is more likely than you'd think. And helmets are good at low speeds. They are not just a high speed protection.