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Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation. People thought rock and roll was the end of the world. https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

How many teenagers committed suicide because of rock and roll? The issue isn't a changing of culture, it's an issue of mental health. Previous generations "looked down" on things like music because it was a cultural phenomenon they didn't understand or care for. I don't recall any previous generation that was facing massive mental health issues as a result of their cultural changes. I still think some of the new musi…

People thought the Beatles' music was making women mentally ill.

It's the same record on repeat.

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Now would be a great time for facebook employees to leak everything.

> Now would be a great time for facebook employees to leak everything.

They're working on stopping that:

> Facebook has also moved to stem future leaks.

> One Facebook researcher said a colleague was contacted by the legal team in the past week and was asked about a research report that he published more than two years ago. The legal team appeared to be hunting for any potentially incriminating research that might be shared with reporters, he said.

> His manager had advised him not to run any queries searching for specific terms on his old work or do anything that could appear suspicious, he said.

> Now, he said he was told, was a good time to take a vacation.

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Maybe, maybe not. We took action against the cigarette companies and it didn't establish that precedent.

Interesting discussion. The tobacco settlement was a settlement . It didn't put the poisoners out of business. Their poison is still sold in our society. People -- including young people -- are still smoking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agre... FB isn't some harmful drug like thalidomide, nor does it cause concussions or cancer. It's going to be a subtle battle to wage, and must take into…

> FB isn't some harmful drug like thalidomide

All addictions go through the same systems in our brain, the same regions releasing the same neurotransmitters. Thus if i'm OK with social addiction then it should be OK to give mild drugs and gambling to kids as well , if we want to be fair. Behavioral studies need to research more the long-term effects of SM use, now that control groups still exist.

I also don't think those behaviors were so frequently observed in the past, we used to call such people sociopaths, nowadays everyone is incentivized to become a sociopath and this is normal?

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Ah no, quite the opposite. It is simply that we figured out mass media, and the ways it is manipulated and used for manipulation. We have not yet reached that with social media.

Have we though? As an example Fox/CNN/etc all have opinion shows advertised as "news" programming. People listen to these opinions as news. So have we really figured out mass media?

Would it be OK to settle for "we have mass media figured out better than social media"?

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It was the end of the world, the pre-rock & roll cultural landscape doesn't exist anymore. I mean sure, the music was just one manifestation of the cultural shifts through the late 60s and 70s, but those people complaining about it were broadly right in that it was a real threat to their way of life, if wrong about their most dire and hyperbolic predictions of the consequences.

That sounds like admitting Instagram is just a new culture that's different to yours, rather than an actual problem then. Personally I think there's tons that's very positive about Instagram, but even if I didn't, it's not for me to dictate how the next generation chooses to communicate and enjoy themselves.

I'm not 'admitting' anything, just making an observation. Cultural changes can be positive or negative, or a mix of both, or neither.

I do sympathise with the libertarian take on this, if people like and enjoy Instagram that's up to them, but these social media platforms are not neutral channels. They tailor their feeds individually, to users who have limited control of their feed. The platform is in control and they manipulate the feed to serve their own interests.

I'm not going to say therefore we should do this or that thing, I don't know what the right thing is to do.

Would you accept that in principle the level of control platforms have over their feeds, and the incentives they have to do so, potentially opens them up to some level of responsibility for the consequences?

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> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

Facebook doesn't just play the game, they are the game. There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop.

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Facebook doesn't just play the game, they are the game. There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop.

> There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop. But as soon as you kill Facebook those people will just move on to the next competitor such as Snapchat or TikTok - you haven't actually solved the underlying problem.

I don’t understand HN’s obsessive love for TikTok. It’s almost universally praised here.

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The person writes a book about hijacking human psychology for more clicks and then goes on to state how it’s our responsibility to control our use. What does he want us to do, re-wire our brains on demand?

Any given platform in Big Social has millions it can throw on tuning its GUI and algorithms to increase engagement—and they do, seeing as that directly translates into advertising revenue. Then, each user has to face all of this machinery alone , often exhausted and/or sleepy, at home, defences lowered. I think it’s wishful thinking to expect majority of users to be able to stay vigilant at all times. Neither do I th…

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>To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? If we're talking about music, movies, fashion styles, etc, I'd say yes. However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is FB to compare to. FB has had more (at least potential) than any other source of influence on the younger generations especially those that are young enough to never know life without FB.

> However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is... Every single generation for all of time has said this.

Yeah and each successive generation since the introduction of mass media has become more deranged.

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How many teenagers committed suicide because of rock and roll? The issue isn't a changing of culture, it's an issue of mental health. Previous generations "looked down" on things like music because it was a cultural phenomenon they didn't understand or care for. I don't recall any previous generation that was facing massive mental health issues as a result of their cultural changes. I still think some of the new musi…

People thought the Beatles' music was making women mentally ill. It's the same record on repeat.

You aren't even engaging with the ideas in this thread. Do you think everything is hunky dory with the kids today?
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