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Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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>To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? If we're talking about music, movies, fashion styles, etc, I'd say yes. However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is FB to compare to. FB has had more (at least potential) than any other source of influence on the younger generations especially those that are young enough to never know life without FB.

I'd say tv and radio were both comparable.

tv and radio were unregulated?

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> However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is... Every single generation for all of time has said this.

they have said this, but please, provide an example of prior generation's FB level juggernaut of manipulation

Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation.

People thought rock and roll was the end of the world.

https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

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We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? > We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Sorry, we can't leave this to armchair psychologists.

Yes, and it’s partially true... can you imagine anyone today producing something like Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations? People with smartphones and 24/7 access to news and communications are simply unable to achieve the kind of isolation and downtime required for reflective thought.

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i m not talking about looking down, this isnt teenagers being edgy. Narcissism is something most people can easily recognize and it s generally considered unhealthy. Parents usually dont feed their children unhealthy stuff, addictive drugs or habits. Same way maybe they should stop being dazzled by technology and reconsider what is happening. If you suggest that compulsive narcissism is a harmless thing, maybe it is,…

I think the primary point of the parent comment is that saying "Heck, just look at your own kids" may be fine for your own family, but, as we love to say, anecdotes are not data. If the internet has proven anything it's that you can always find someone with "proof" of something based on their own personal experience ("My kid got a lot of vaccines, now my kid has autism, ergo..."). The reason we have scientists that d…

these generalizations are a little extreme. what's the purpose of instagram for a kid exactly? its 'destructive' effects are not marginal side effects, they're the main purpose of the app

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Last couple days ~ many articles related to an ex- Top Mind @ Facebook who asserted that they 1) knew effects of insta on young children's minds, 2) used these incantations for profit, 3) tried to hide it, and 4) downplayed the relevance of the previous 3 in order to pursue their yotta-growth strategy at the expense of human civilization. On the back of the findings from a couple of weeks ago that most human traffick…

I think CSAM & human trafficking is happening on every platform possible, the only reason may be Facebook might be at the top because they are actively working with law enforcement. But saying crimes are happening because of facebook is dishonest. As far as I know the only social media company that didn't have any political leanings is Facebook. I think that's the only reason it is getting targeted repeatedly in the…

> I think CSAM & human trafficking is happening on every platform possible

Sorry, but that is ridiculous. Only a fraction of platforms allow uploading and sharing of media. Someone wise on HN said they would handle such stuff like toxic waste. Facebook (like others) considers the risks worthwhile. There will be no solution until that changes.

As for your second argument, look up "straw man'.

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they have said this, but please, provide an example of prior generation's FB level juggernaut of manipulation

Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation. People thought rock and roll was the end of the world. https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

It was the end of the world, the pre-rock & roll cultural landscape doesn't exist anymore.

I mean sure, the music was just one manifestation of the cultural shifts through the late 60s and 70s, but those people complaining about it were broadly right in that it was a real threat to their way of life, if wrong about their most dire and hyperbolic predictions of the consequences.

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post #146

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Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation. People thought rock and roll was the end of the world. https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

It was the end of the world, the pre-rock & roll cultural landscape doesn't exist anymore. I mean sure, the music was just one manifestation of the cultural shifts through the late 60s and 70s, but those people complaining about it were broadly right in that it was a real threat to their way of life, if wrong about their most dire and hyperbolic predictions of the consequences.

That sounds like admitting Instagram is just a new culture that's different to yours, rather than an actual problem then.

Personally I think there's tons that's very positive about Instagram, but even if I didn't, it's not for me to dictate how the next generation chooses to communicate and enjoy themselves.

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they have said this, but please, provide an example of prior generation's FB level juggernaut of manipulation

Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation. People thought rock and roll was the end of the world. https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

But we still have music that is being considered "the downfall of humanity" PLUS the shenannigans of FB as the cheery on top

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they have said this, but please, provide an example of prior generation's FB level juggernaut of manipulation

Every generation thought their next generation's innovation was a juggernaut of manipulation. People thought rock and roll was the end of the world. https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo...

How many teenagers committed suicide because of rock and roll?

The issue isn't a changing of culture, it's an issue of mental health. Previous generations "looked down" on things like music because it was a cultural phenomenon they didn't understand or care for. I don't recall any previous generation that was facing massive mental health issues as a result of their cultural changes.

I still think some of the new music being produced is garbage and some is good. I think it's hilarious to see 20-somtehing girls wearing baggy clothing that looks like it's straight out of the early 90s. None of those things have me concerned for their mental well-being. Sanity perhaps*.

*joking

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We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that [radio, movies, magazines, TV, video games, the internet, cell phones] has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager Every generation has complained about the impact of some technology on kids. I don't really see a causitive link between teenager happiness and Instagram. It's an easy target to blame for sure. Especially compared with the stark increase in econom…

> We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that [radio, movies, magazines, TV, video games, the internet, cell phones] has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager

I hate this absolute relativist stance, "something was supposed to be bad once but is now accepted hence anything that comes to exist must be good".

> Every generation has complained about the impact of some technology on kids.

Don't you think the tech used by people increases at a way faster pace nowadays ?

Do you genuinely think that the invention of books is comparable to giving a 13 years old kid a smartphone with intagram ?

Just look at what's trending on instagram, they're catering to the lowest common denominator. It's the fast food, if not crack cocaine, of entertainment, literal "content" to fill up the "containers" we are.

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