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They're talking about how their internal ways of working slows them down in comparison to the competition, and what to do to address it. Is there anything else to take away from these emails?
Remix 3 seconds of a song without payment and you get hammered with fines.
Copy a paragraph of an essay in college and you get turfed out (assuming your parents can't donate a library).
Steal a few trinkets and face jail time; some have their kids taken away for it.
But a trillion dollar company systematically steals wholesale from innovating upstarts for a decade and it's suddenly the case that, oh well, everyone does it? What the actual fuck.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Don't most companies have these types of conversations? I haven't been at one yet that hasn't. Good startups look at their competitors and decide to clone some, and change other, features. Were we not excited here yesterday on HN, that Cloudflare is cloning and undercutting AWS S3?
An adult stealing candy from a baby is illegal. A baby stealing candy from an adult, well I'd like to meet that baby.
When I was at Netscape, marketing had every page of Yahoo up on a wall (printed out!), and there were teams assigned to recreating each and every one of them, verbatim. So, this isn't new. But, like Steve Jobs said [1], good artists copy, great artists steal. It's one thing to take the essence, it's another to completely reproduce it with your own twist. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
Can you elaborate? Why is a browser vendor concerned with and copying what a web page is doing?
I find it disturbing that everyone acts like it's normal that private correspondence gets leaked and now is discussed in public. What gives you the right to read those emails?
[1] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/0006754900067553.p...
[2] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/competition_in_dig...
I find it disturbing that everyone acts like it's normal that private correspondence gets leaked and now is discussed in public. What gives you the right to read those emails?
These emails are part of the public record [1], subpoenaed on behalf of the House Judiciary Committee's Investigation of Competition in Digital Markets [2]. [1] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/0006754900067553.p... [2] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/competition_in_dig...
Earlier quoted context omitted.
These emails are part of the public record [1], subpoenaed on behalf of the House Judiciary Committee's Investigation of Competition in Digital Markets [2]. [1] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/0006754900067553.p... [2] https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/competition_in_dig...
Thanks for providing this background. Still somehow it feels not right to read it. But I suppose it may be some cultural difference. In country I live in correspondence secrecy is a constitutional right, so maybe people value it differently.
When I was at Netscape, marketing had every page of Yahoo up on a wall (printed out!), and there were teams assigned to recreating each and every one of them, verbatim. So, this isn't new. But, like Steve Jobs said [1], good artists copy, great artists steal. It's one thing to take the essence, it's another to completely reproduce it with your own twist. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
When I was at Netscape, marketing had every page of Yahoo up on a wall (printed out!), and there were teams assigned to recreating each and every one of them, verbatim. So, this isn't new. But, like Steve Jobs said [1], good artists copy, great artists steal. It's one thing to take the essence, it's another to completely reproduce it with your own twist. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
Is it really a Jobs quote if every time he mentioned it, he attributed it to someone else? I realize your link discusses this at length, but it seems Jobs himself would not say it is his quote.
When I was at Netscape, marketing had every page of Yahoo up on a wall (printed out!), and there were teams assigned to recreating each and every one of them, verbatim. So, this isn't new. But, like Steve Jobs said [1], good artists copy, great artists steal. It's one thing to take the essence, it's another to completely reproduce it with your own twist. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
> When I was at Netscape, marketing had every page of Yahoo up on a wall (printed out!), and there were teams assigned to recreating each and every one of them, verbatim. So, this isn't new. Can you elaborate? Why is a browser vendor concerned with and copying what a web page is doing?
Company #2 was where they wanted to make their money - with all the amazing back office servers, web servers (back when web servers were something worth spending $$$ on), High Performance Multi-Master LDAP Servers (still an amazing technology, even today), Calendar Servers, Mail Servers, etc, etc.. They honestly could have done something there - but (A) they were going up against Microsoft who was a fierce competitor, and (B) Their commitment to open standards made lock-in really hard..
And then there was company #3 - www.netscape.com. Mike Homer I think was the one who realized that was where the real capturable value was in 1999. And he was probably right - definitely in the short term. The marketing team worked their butt off to drive as much traffic as possible - and then sold it off to AOL for $4B.
That's why they essentially duplicated, page for page, yahoo.com.