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S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by names_are_hard »

kmonsen wrote: post #187
c12 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised. I have a gigabit connection and the contract specifically states that they guarantee a maximum throughput of 400Mbit at peak times.

It's like the geico commercials: you could save up to x% on your car insurance if you switch to Geico. It says nothing, there are two weasel word exceptions in there.

There's another weasel phrase in there: "Or more" (Switching to Geico could save you 15% _or more_)

So it could save you nothing, or it could save you 15%, or even more. Basically we have no idea what it'll save you, if anything.

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Post by xxs »

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #198
xxs wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite common datacenter prices to incl. bandwidth and data. Netflix/youtube cases it's the content providers that server the traffic, so most of it is generated by them. The client requests are tiny in comparison.

Lets say you have a website in datacenter A /You pay datacenter for bandwith etc. Person pulls your website /Person pays cablecompany Z for bandwith Now you have to pay Cablecompany Z for the data.

But that's not the case in the article "Netflix began using =SK's dedicated= line starting 2018 to deliver increasingly larger amounts of data-heavy, high-definition video content to viewers in Korea from servers in Japan and Hong Kong".

Admittedly the article is light on the details, yet I'd presume the line has been created exclusively for Netflix, there is no info if there was an agreement between the parties. There is no reference to the Seoul District Court decision, either.

"Internet"/data between major tube providers (ISP) is very different than paying cable company X for end user access. Some just have agreements to carry each other traffics and some pay to carry their traffic[0]:

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

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Post by nix23 »

pocketarc wrote: post #37
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

It really is wild. ISPs have been overselling "unlimited" connections for forever, and being paid for it, but when their customers actually want to use literally the service they paid for, _legally_, it's somehow wrong? I guess that's the thing with Netflix though, it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, so there's no excuse to stop it and they have to come up with something. "oh they're generating explosive traffic th…

>torrent-like traffic, but legal

Since when is ANY traffic illegal on the Net? Is the idea of an open (for everyone) data "highway" already death in our heads?

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Post by nix23 »

xxs wrote: post #111
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

It's quite common datacenter prices to incl. bandwidth and data. Netflix/youtube cases it's the content providers that server the traffic, so most of it is generated by them. The client requests are tiny in comparison.

Lets compare it with food, if you (client) would not eat so much the producer (server) would not produce as much, no server produces traffic without a consumer.

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Post by xxs »

nix23 wrote: post #214
xxs wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite common datacenter prices to incl. bandwidth and data. Netflix/youtube cases it's the content providers that server the traffic, so most of it is generated by them. The client requests are tiny in comparison.

Lets compare it with food, if you (client) would not eat so much the producer (server) would not produce as much, no server produces traffic without a consumer.

I have replied to a sibling's comment ISP agreements are nothing like that.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

xattt wrote: post #127
sandworm101 wrote: post #122

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>> it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, There is nothing illegal about torrent traffic any more than any other form of traffic. "It's streaming-like, but legal." "It's VPN-like, but legal." "It's cyptolocker-like, but legal." "It's SSL-like, but legal." "It's Tor-like, but legal."

It’s unreasonable to the bottom line of the ISP because it’s high demand on an oversubscribed network. Torrents used to be a convenient scapegoat because they were more than likely carrying content that was infringing copyright. I am surprised that ISPs haven’t started cracking down on WfH, and start saying it violates their TOC because this is a business use. Public uproar would be immense.

> It’s unreasonable to the bottom line of the ISP because it’s high demand on an oversubscribed network.

No, it's not unreasonable. They sell consumers unlimited high bandwidth connections and at no point are they told they can't actually use the service they're paying for. What's unreasonable is cutting off paying consumers and suing streaming services when the company's dumb business model starts failing because of their own invalid assumptions. If oversubscribing is such a problem, they should stop doing it instead of blaming consumers for overusing their low capacity network.

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Post by [deleted] »

Aerroon wrote: post #103
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

This seems like a really popular technique in politics. Frame the problem in a way that makes it seem unjust regardless what the wider implications are. Online ads and data vacuuming is often presented in a similar fashion. Your browser goes to the advertiser and requests the ad. The advertiser asks for your data. Your browser sends the data to the advertiser. And the way we frame this is that advertisers are stealin…

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Post by CivBase »

xwdv wrote: post #188
MereInterest wrote: post #48

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> maybe if you push a lot of data That's leads to a pretty simple conclusion, because Netflix doesn't push any data. I pull data from Netflix. I have already paid my ISP to pull data from anywhere I ask. If my ISP sits down at a negotiating table with Netflix and threatens to disrupt that, they should be laughed out of the room. "Pay me, or else I'm going to break my obligations to an unrelated third party." isn't a…

What if the ISP holds a powerful monopoly in some regions? Should we still be laughing?

Then Musk and Bezos should be laughing since they'll likely be getting more customers for Starlink and (eventually) Kuiper. Hopefully low earth orbit satellite internet will put an end to ISP monopolies in the US since the government wont.

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Post by Beldin »

From the headline I thought this was something like where a phone number is shown in a serie, and it's viewers start calling it in droves.

Not so. This is about an ISP having to deliver what its customers pay it for: bytes.

Incredibly, this has gone to court and the ISP won. The judge found it isn't fair that the market changed, and that Netflix should pony up now that they've dared to become popular.

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