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Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by taneq »

dfgjnirf wrote: post #103
taneq wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity. Or does there? The truly disturbing aspect of so many things like this is that (as per Poe's Law) it's impossible to distinguish cynical mockery from earnestly-held extremism.

4chan /pol/ does this stuff all the time. The OK as white power sign, the Free Bleeding movement as just a few off the top of my head. But then there are antifastonetoss which I'm pretty sure are actually fans of stonetoss using a loophole to avoid getting banned. These people cannot operate in the open and have found other ways to operate. I can't tell if it fits the Ruby CoC case. I'm just keeping an open mind to t…

Oh totally, I didn't mean to imply there weren't actors out there doing shady bad-faith false-flag things. There totally are. It's just that sometimes (often?) what they post is indistinguishable from the real thing.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by seoulmetro »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #119
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a mild “ha ha” kind of joke I’d expect to see on a joke-a-day cartoon calendar.

Right. Definitely stupid and probably a stretch to call it sexist. Would something like this really get you banned from a mailing list?

Something doesn't have to exist as a certain quality for a subset of people to determine that it may be perceived as "too much a likeness of some THING".

In short: You can be banned for talking about pasta in a noodles forum. That doesn't mean pasta is not a noodle.

It's not sexist. Them banning it as sexist does not make it sexist.

Every day I wake up to the programming community becoming more pretend, more fake, more toxic and less open. Ironically the very thing it is trying to distance itself from.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by seoulmetro »

noxer wrote: post #76

+1 wokeness for them, next.

Hopefully all these "wokeness" vs "conservative" lines are drawn in the sand. I really enjoyed when we were writing lines of code rather than writing borders, rules and obvious regressive in-fighting. I can't be the only one looking at all this political garbage and ghost drama with shame.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by seoulmetro »

josephcsible wrote: post #173

- Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. + Behaviour which can be considered harassment against protected classes will not be tolerated. That change sure seems a lot like it's saying "we're now okay with harassment as long as the person you're harassing isn't a member of a protected class". Isn't that then adding abuse-enabling language, not removing it?

I see you've just discovered the direction of progressive change! Backwards.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by koonsolo »

I think this is a big difference between US and EU.

In EU we like to joke around, tease each other, and not get fired over that.

When we tell a sexist joke with a woman present, you will get a witty reply from them, not a call to HR.

I hope this US bullshit stays in US.

Seems that EU women are not victims but can stand their own ground.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

tomjen3 wrote: post #172
mannykannot wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a position of always assuming good intentions can be gamed by people with bad intentions.

It also is an issue for all others. FX I don’t know if it is appropriate to say “you guys” to a mixed crowd anymore, but if I hadn’t seen that some people get upset about that I wouldn’t think twice about it and just emulated American movies. Buffy isn’t exactly sexist and she says it often and to a mixed crowd.

At least in English you have the neutral word "they". In french you only have the plural of "he" or "she". This means that when you point to a mixed crowd, you must choose which of the plurals you use.

The grammatical rule is that one male flips the plural gender to male. If you do not know the sexes, the plural is male.

As a French, the construction comes naturally because we've been taught that at school since kindergarten. This always sounded a bit weird, though.

I do not approve some "grammatical inclusivity" horrors that are being invented from time to time, but some innovative-but-not-distruptive changes would be welcome.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by koonsolo »

koonsolo wrote: post #185

I think this is a big difference between US and EU. In EU we like to joke around, tease each other, and not get fired over that. When we tell a sexist joke with a woman present, you will get a witty reply from them, not a call to HR. I hope this US bullshit stays in US. Seems that EU women are not victims but can stand their own ground.

Haha, thanks for the downvotes. Let's see what happens when EU is awake.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by maccolgan »

koonsolo wrote: post #185

I think this is a big difference between US and EU. In EU we like to joke around, tease each other, and not get fired over that. When we tell a sexist joke with a woman present, you will get a witty reply from them, not a call to HR. I hope this US bullshit stays in US. Seems that EU women are not victims but can stand their own ground.

I have bad news, they are not going to keep it to the US.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by rdtsc »

Others have pointed a seemingly silly phrase of "My rationale for these changes are documented on Twitter". But there is a deeper idea hidden there as perhaps one of the reason the changes were enacted was not protect anyone, but to increase engagement on Twitter. Whether someone is protected or not, is perhaps secondary.

> (removed) "When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions"

Exactly! So, on a meta level, if we apply the same idea to the change itself. How do we know it was made with a good intention or simply get +1s, heart emojies and retweets...

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by noxer »

seoulmetro wrote: post #183
noxer wrote: post #76

+1 wokeness for them, next.

Hopefully all these "wokeness" vs "conservative" lines are drawn in the sand. I really enjoyed when we were writing lines of code rather than writing borders, rules and obvious regressive in-fighting. I can't be the only one looking at all this political garbage and ghost drama with shame.

The comment was exactly in that ironic spirit. The internet version or a slow clap for someone who did something completely useless for the sole purpose of virtual signaling. If someone runs around on github doing such nonsense "work" editing text no one ever reads you dont deserve more than a ironic acknowledgement. Its like writing ToS that no one reads but replace the salary of a lawyer with people laughing at you for doing this sh*t in your free time (I sure hope no one pays for it).

>I can't be the only one looking at all this political garbage and ghost drama with shame.

This is not political its cultural and everyone outside the US laughs about it.

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