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Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#101
> That's common sense. We all know who are protected classes. For instance, members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class.

Uh… is this a troll? Like other commented said, this feels like a anti-CoC thing or an extreme case of Poe's law, at least.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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post #58

I thought this was a troll. I feel that the identifying of CEOs of big companies as a protected class may have been a tipping of the hat. There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity.

> There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity. Or does there? The truly disturbing aspect of so many things like this is that (as per Poe's Law) it's impossible to distinguish cynical mockery from earnestly-held extremism.

4chan /pol/ does this stuff all the time. The OK as white power sign, the Free Bleeding movement as just a few off the top of my head. But then there are antifastonetoss which I'm pretty sure are actually fans of stonetoss using a loophole to avoid getting banned. These people cannot operate in the open and have found other ways to operate.

I can't tell if it fits the Ruby CoC case. I'm just keeping an open mind to the possibility.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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post #39
post #8

This github links to a twitter thread about rationale for the change which mentions a sexist joke that was in the ruby mailing lists but doesn't link to it. I feel like I've read entire news articles about kinds of events like these where no one will actually show what was said. We're just supposed to agree it was really bad sight unseen. Here's my guess at the joke at the core of this for anyone wondering: http://bl…

It's mentioned (quoted) in the github thread. It was a "joke" about women and age. Date.today Date.today +1 # no error, but wrong result! # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age ;)

You're right. I clicked through to the (two) tweet threads for rationale and didn't scroll far enough in the git thread.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#105

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

It’s not one or the other: offensive behaviour and competitive purity-spiralling should both be rejected in equal measure.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#106
post #89

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

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Protected class is a programming term ;)

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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post #79
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one of the rules they removed.

No it isn't? It's unchanged in the linked PR.

It was removed in a follow-up PR, "Remove abuse enabling language pt. 2", which is linked to from the first:

> Encouraged by the quick success of this PR, I made #2691 with another small change. One step at a time at fixing the world :)

https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2691

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#108

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

Regarding the "good intentions" change, the explanation in the linked twitter thread makes sense to me: in some contexts, assuming good intentions is a way of excusing bad behavior.

It's hard to agree on the exact boundary between enabling a jerk and making an issue out of nothing. But the old "assume good intentions" policy does sound to me uncomfortably similar to "if you're offended it's your own fault". Which is generally how people treat victims of harassment in communities where that sort of harassment is tolerated.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#109

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

Protected class if definition even exist can mean completely different things. Saying that US definition is the only one that matters is unwelcoming to people from other countries.

edit: non just unwelcoming, it can be considered discriminating

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#110

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

But that's kind of the point, no? You could literally just have your comment as the CoC and it would be good enough to cover the joke in question.

So why is the pull request necessary? It very obviously opens up the potential to be abused by people who would love to kick others out of the community because they don't like their political opinions.

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