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I love that the answer is always more technology will save us. Whether it's carbon removal advances or cloning, we just look towards future advancements instead of cleaning up our act. I understand that expecting some sort of big shift in how we live is not feasible, it's just a shame.

No amount of "cleaning up our act" will undo damage already done. The solution is always technology because that's what technology is - solutions to problems. Changing behavior can allow you to avoid a problem, but only technology will fix a problem you've failed to avoid.

I think what OP was implying is that the solution is always posited as in some future technology just on the horizon. We will save the day in the final act of the trilogy, this is just the empire strikes back, right?

Except that's not where our solution to this problem lies. We have all the technology we need to be carbon neutral today, namely in the form of nuclear power. In fact, Nixon planned on 1000 nuclear power plants operating in the U.S. by the year 2000. The reason why we don't have that reality today has nothing to do with technology, and everything to do with behavior and choices we've made. We chose to protest nuclear power, we chose to close down power plants that were generating electricity carbon free, we chose to do this because we decided that it was nuclear power that was the enemy of ecology, in the face of this misinformed public politicians found it easier to keep their jobs by walking back plans for nuclear power than to educate the populace.

Decades later today, we find ourselves forced to sleep in this bed of coal and natural gas, but we ignore that this is a bed that we ourselves willingly made by choice, and continue to maintain by choice using bullshit excuses such as cost or time or profitability to bury any practical alternative (in a society where for the first time since the invention of currency, government mints can generate money out of plain air no less).

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the type of proud indifference that is going to lead us down the path of no return in no time. The world is not made better by shrinking biodiversity especially in the long term. But screw posterity right? I hope you don't have kids.

Personal attacks do not belong on hacker news.

How is what I said a personal attack? I sincerely hope that someone with such little regard for the environment and therefore the future of this planet isn't someone who is willingly bringing more humans to it. That isn't a personal attack but rather my personal belief on the matter.

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Once a species is declared extinct, is it legal to hunt? I realize this may sound like a weird question, but I'm curious if there had ever been mistakes like this, with a lack of protection leading to actual accidental extinction.

Hunting laws in general vary state by state but for the most part you can’t just go out and kill any random thing flying around. There generally has to be some sort of formal designation that a species can be hunted. Otherwise don’t kill it.

What law on the books says that it is legal for me to kill a dragonfly?

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For anyone out there I highly recommend reading The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert

It's a plain, almost coldhearted look at what we are doing to the planet and where this path leads. Something needs to change urgently.

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Someday we’re going to hit the cascade point, where we’ve simultaneously and severely damaged or disrupted so many ecosystems that they won’t be able to recover and it all just collapses.

The future is here already, it's just not evenly distributed. There are countless examples of local ecosystems that have been entirely decimated as a direct result of human activity. It's been going on for millenia. The Tigris/Euphrates river region used be a lush, fertile paradise. Thousands of years of human agriculture has turned it into what it is today. Clear-cutting of forests throughout North America, Britain,…

I understand what's happening all over, but those are the small collapses I'm saying will eventually all string together and start to cause wider collapse that we won't be able to stop. Right now, we can still rewild an ecosystem fairly easily, but that won't be feasible when multiple ecosystems are collapsing all around us.

Don't get me wrong, I think we should be in panic mode and start a full redirection of public funds towards serious preservation of natural species and habitats, with carbon sequestration implementations, both short and long term solutions, and a serious jobs program to implement all of the above.

But it won't happen because the public is too removed from the problem. Most people haven't felt any real impact, and we probably won't be able to get massive legislation passed until that point, and I fear it will be too late once they do.

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This is just the beginning I believe. 20 years ago we were 6bn humans, today we are very close to 8bn and in a little more than 20 years ahead we are 10bn. It's an alarming growth rate, and considering how much each person use resources and produce waste during their lifetime, I'd say we are looking at quite a bit more extinct species in the future.

The human population is expected to flatten out at around 10-11 billion in 2050 or so, and then decrease. Bringing people out of poverty decreases the amount of children they tend to have without having to go to any extreme measures.

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Scientists have a recording of the mating call of the last known Kauaʻi ʻōʻō that could never be answered.

https://youtu.be/5THqAY3u5oY?t=44

"That's the last male of a species... singing for a female, who will never come.... he is totally alone.... and now his voice is gone."

I find that to be very sad

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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This is super depressing, it's crazy to see how much the flora/fauna have changed locally in my lifetime. It makes me wonder how much worse it actually is. Is looks like most of these were initially listed in the 80s, not too long after Endangered Species Act passed. Is there some sort of time limit before they officially declare something extinct?

How come they don’t investigate WHAT is actually causing this exactly? Yes climate is changing but did it change that much since 80s? What if it’s some pesticide? or some food packaging or something

Far more extinction is caused (so far) by land development, logging, and things like that.

Though probably in the next couple of decades we'll be seeing waves of extinctions caused by global warming.

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In theory, species should be going extinct all the time as the climate changes, from ecological changes, invasive species, new species forming, etc. The real question, is the rate of species going extinct increasing? (I believe the answer to that is yes). But the mere headline “species goes extinct” should make us react “yeah, that’s how evolution works”.

We are currently experiencing sixth Mass Extinction event. It started at least 20k years ago, and is generally linked to the end of glaciacion of the northern hemisphere and human activity.

It is not exactly known if this rate is fast or slow, because from our perspective we can't really estimate the length of previous mass extinction events. After all, the closest one was 66M years ago, and with fossil evidence gradual decrease of biodiversity over the course of 1M years wouldn't look much different if said decrease would take just 1 year.

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Scientists have a recording of the mating call of the last known Kauaʻi ʻōʻō that could never be answered. https://youtu.be/5THqAY3u5oY?t=44 "That's the last male of a species... singing for a female, who will never come.... he is totally alone.... and now his voice is gone." I find that to be very sad

That tore me up.
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