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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by hef19898 » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #3

This should be the preferred way to ride all local transit systems. One price for the whole family, ride as much as you want for the month (I think month is better then year - easier to budget, and if you move you are not out as much). If people aren't willing to pay for the pass, your system isn't useful and you need to fix that. Because it is unlimited rides people are less likely to think about using the car for t…

Depends, I used to have a flatrate, high speed train about for commuting for a couple of years. I needed to city abos on top. Monthly costs were around 300 Euro, still cheaper / on par with a car (fuel only). That Austrian offer is the way to go, IMHO. I would even consider it for private purposes only for that price.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by jessaustin » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

Some context here: previously there was no single ticket you could get for public transport in Austria like you could in Switzerland. There was a yearly ticket for the national rail services but that was it. With this ticket you can hop into any public transport now from long distance rail to local city trams.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

I've never been to Austria, but I suspect this more limited pass you prefer has been available for a long time in all relevant locales. Certainly that is my experience with other public transit systems.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by locallost » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

If it's really also for long distance rail, that's a lot of value. For comparison, the German Railway has something similar (but I think only for the railway) and it costs easily 3x as much. It's a bigger country but regardless. I live and work in a smaller city where I don't really need public transport, but when I was working in a city near me, the monthly ticket for the two cities was more than this. I don't know much about living in Austria, but in my mind it should be a no brainer for a lot of people.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by LittleNemoInS » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

Some context here: previously there was no single ticket you could get for public transport in Austria like you could in Switzerland. There was a yearly ticket for the national rail services but that was it. With this ticket you can hop into any public transport now from long distance rail to local city trams.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

If your daily commute is only a few bus stops, you'll find it way cheaper to get a pass from the local transportation company. This is for people who are travelling a lot (like commuting between cities on a daily or weekly basis).

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by huhtenberg » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

md_ wrote: post #10

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

I mean, yes, but that's like saying "all you can eat" buffets are unfair. The only "fix" would be to never offer fixed-rate pricing. It's a strange complaint, to me.

If there's a buffet that serves a caviar and I only eat unpeeled cucumbers, then I'm not likely to go to that buffet.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by scrollaway » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

I really want this to exist for Belgium. Right now the public transport prices are absurd here... An all year pass for just the train in all of Belgium ranges in the 10k eur/year, and there is no national metro+bus+tram access (just Brussels is 700 EUR / year for that with no access to other cities).

It's absurd and caused by fragmentation of services between Flanders, wallonia and Brussels with no coordination between them.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by rob74 » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:35 PM UTC

Er... sounds good, but first they say "All public transport in Austria with a single ticket", and later "...in a specific area for a year: regional, cross-regional and nationwide". And after that, there is only one price (with various rebates) listed for the "Klimaticket Ö". Are there cheaper versions planned which are limited to e.g. one ("regional") or two ("cross-regional") states (Bundesländer)? I checked the German version, it's not a translation mistake.

EDIT: Ok, found out myself, thanks Wikipedia! All but one (Kärnten) states already have a yearly public transportation ticket, with prices ranging from 365€ (Vorarlberg and Vienna) to 695 € (Oberösterreich). I guess these will be called "Klimaticket" too in the future. Might have made sense to mention this in the FAQ though...

BTW the introduction date, 26.10.2021, is the Austrian National Day.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by MattGaiser » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

Some context here: previously there was no single ticket you could get for public transport in Austria like you could in Switzerland. There was a yearly ticket for the national rail services but that was it. With this ticket you can hop into any public transport now from long distance rail to local city trams.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

But if you only require local travel, why would you buy a national pass?

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by huhtenberg » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

delroth wrote: post #9

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

Pretty much all local city transport networks in Europe offer yearly subscriptions. If you just need that, that's already an option.

If the Kilmaticket is not the only pass now available in Austria, then it makes far more sense.

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Post by joeberon » Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #6

huhtenberg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

I mean this is Europe, and there's much less "this is unfair" versus "we are in this together".

Maybe compared to America, but really, no, there's still a LOT of individualistic thinking here