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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by dotancohen »

Yaggo wrote: post #254
david_allison wrote: post #164

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In my country, the police came to my house when I dropped my wallet. I strongly believe "Find My iPhone" has made iPhones significantly less valuable on the resale market and will have reduced thefts

> In my country I often see people here referring to their country without mentioning the actual country, i.e. they hide the interesting detail, which I find weird. Why not to write "in Iceland..." instead? Or is it a privacy thing or just some kind of modesty?

Because very often, any time anybody mentions their country it is quickly dismissed as "not applicable, because nobody but OP lives there".

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by simion314 »

rjh29 wrote: post #43
todd3834 wrote: post #22

This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

There is an obvious trend on HN turning against Apple since the image hash stuff. Search 'Apple' in the last month and you'll see stories about Apple screwing over blind people, copying other people's ideas, screwing over employees, removing apps from the app store, disabling FaceID if you try to change the screen etc. From my POV (a non-Apple user) they have not changed, they have always been pretty anti-consumer. B…

There is a normal trend that Apple users want to deny reality and downvote or flag facts articles about zero days, or articles about bad developer relations or articles about bad relations with security researchers. Then you had Apple vs Epic that also released some dirt on Apple so is normal that the number of Articles on Apple is larger this year(I did not checked) and add on that the CSAM failed launch and I can see some Apple power users getting frustrated)

We always have an article about Facebook and Google when something bad or interesting is happening and I thionk this article qualifies because from the comments it is clear that the majority of people if asked "if the iPhone is powerd off if it really off? " would have said Yes, because we are used to power off to mean off and sleep like state to be labeled different.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by dotancohen »

SilverRed wrote: post #172
ElectronShak wrote: post #100

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I'm generally of the impression that any phone with an unremovable battery is never truly "off" at any given time, unless the battery is totally damaged. PS: I like phones whose batteries are removable, currently use a Nokia Android with a removable one. One advantage is that when the phone drops down, it disintegrates, frame from battery, decreasing the overall impact on the phone.

You can drop the phone in an RF blocking bag if you want to go off the grid.

The lack of signal is a sign that OP wants to go off the grid intentionaly, which is suspicious behaviour. There is no plausible deniability.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by Fnoord »

Talanes wrote: post #229
Fnoord wrote: post #168

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Lets not generalize, shall we? Police here in The Netherlands take care of stolen bikes. Its just a low success rate which skews our perception.

And here in America, I got literally laughed at by my small-town police force as a teenager when I went to them with the exact house my stolen bike was sitting outside of.

The Dutch police want to avoid that civilians 'play their own judge'. If the perpetrator and/or stolen object can be positively ID'ed this is a big plus for the public prosecutor to give a go ahead. What can happen then, is that the police try to buy the stolen good, catching the perpetrator red handed. This is the most effective path of getting a case succesfully put to trial. However, it is going to differ per local jurisdiction. Some Dutch police do have man power issues as well, just like some of USA has.

On a side note: I don't like the attitude of laughing at civilians/victims who the police officer is supposed to serve. Its a kind of negative attitude which devalues the victims interest (I don't like the word toxic but others would apply it here), eventually harming trust in police in the process which (long term) benefits criminals. And what I also don't like is when such is generalized on all police, all around the world.

The way you were treated flat out sucks.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by dcow »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #262
rkagerer wrote: post #242

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Same complaint for those annoying "how to use our website or Electron app" tutorials the first time you sign in or after updates. Make help discoverable, don't ram it down our throats, please.

Sorry, but we have to :) We added loads of genuinely useful new features to our SaaS app over the past year, such as the ability to mute notifications, quick user-switching with a PIN, and non-exclusive user role membership, and more - despite mentioning this in our monthly user newsletter we still get peppered with support emails and feature-requests for things that already exist! Additionally our feature-usage data…

Maybe it could be opt out at the end of the first onboard/tutorial.. "Thanks, but I'll explore the software on my own from now on [x]"?

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

raverbashing wrote: post #267
rkagerer wrote: post #242

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Same complaint for those annoying "how to use our website or Electron app" tutorials the first time you sign in or after updates. Make help discoverable, don't ram it down our throats, please.

For real, VSCode is one of the "champions" of this. Yes, I'm sure the new Golang extension is very cool or that I need to setup this other module but for now I'm just worried about what I need to do

VSCode opens a page of content in an editor tab next to what you are doing. That’s pretty much as unobtrusive as it gets. You can just close it and move on. It’s just there if you want to and is a nice way to signal that it did indeed update as everything is pretty much automatic.

Also it’s very easy to reopen later which was the OP complaint against popups. Now that I think about it, VSCode is pretty much best in class when it comes to update content notifications.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

SilverRed wrote: post #174
MerelyMortal wrote: post #56

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It's helping show people that "they have always been pretty anti-consumer".

Almost all of the digs at Apple have been things that apply industry wide and it is an interesting observation. There was one recently worded something like "EU to require Apple to update phones for 7 years" but if you look at the actual proposal, it applies to all phone makers and Apple is the only one anywhere close to compliant to this proposal. Other scandals like Samsung disabling the cameras when unlocking the…

That’s because you pay more attention to news relating to Apple.

As someone with little general interest in the smartphone market, the digs seem to be pretty widespread nowadays. Samsung did indeed take flack for disabling the camera. Complains about the Play Store and Google anticompetitive behaviors are common and Apple is often in the press due to their high profile legal battle with Epic.

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Post by 0x008 »

fsckboy wrote: post #149
chewmieser wrote: post #8

Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

Are you sure this was not part of the changelog which was publicy available prior to the iOS 15 update?

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #270
ncmncm wrote: post #190

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In the US, their actual job is filing the report. Anything that goes beyond that is PR.

Wasn't my experience in Chicago. I was robbed (of my phone, at $12) and had my phone back within 15 minutes, including the time it took to call the police.

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