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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by fy20 »

avianlyric wrote: post #131
zootboy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing that requires a microcontroller to be active during power-down to handle the issues you describe: For transit passes and IDs, there need to be non-phone-based ways of handling that issue. It's equally possible to lose / have your phone stolen. Talk to the station agent, or have the police look up your license by name / address. There's no need for a continuously-running microcontroller to read the pow…

> For transit passes It’s interesting, here in the U.K. you have a legal obligation to present a valid ticket upon demand for any train you travel on. Failure to do so for any reason (including my phone died, or I dropped the ticket) is a criminal offence (and I mean criminal , not civil) punishable by a prison sentence. Some ticket conductors at the end of a long shift hearing endless excuses about why someone doesn…

Meh this sounds like scare mongering. If someone is tired at the end of a long shift, what do you think they are going to want to do more?

a) spend 15 minutes writing up a ticket, and possibly waiting for the police to arrive before handing you over to them

b) take you to the back office and let you sit for 5 minutes while your phone charges

Nobody is going to send you to prison for the first offence of not having a ticket (a physical ticket could be lost or damaged to a point where it is unreadable too). They would probably issue a fine, but you could appeal that. Buying a digital ticket you'd have a digital paper trail showing you bought it - which you wouldn't if you bought a paper ticket.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by sneak »

grishka wrote: post #134
numpad0 wrote: post #90

This kind of behavior is needed for: - Public transit and digital IDs. It sucks when phone dies and you can’t get out of a station or show your driver’s license. - Power management. Power buttons on modern phones are digitally controlled by a microcontroller because actually switching main power by those buttons can glitch the phone. - Firmware updates. Phone has to be able to handle USB connection to accept new firm…

> Public transit and digital IDs. It sucks when phone dies and you can’t get out of a station or show your driver’s license. Yeah there's no way I'm using my phone for this stuff even if I had that option. I don't trust batteries, wireless networks and modern software enough. I do use Google Pay, but I always have the physical card just in case.

Suica on an Apple Watch is one of the most convenient things ever in the Tokyo metro or at a konbini.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by sneak »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #165
mrits wrote: post #148

Apple is part of a global conspiracy that is making it harder and harder to get away with murder.

But also harder to get away with protests.

Or large scale dissent in general.

No apps related to the largest current event that challenge the dominant narratives are alllwrd in the App Store at all.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by dvcrn »

Jtsummers wrote: post #181
arctics wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

someone can just wrap your phone in aluminum foil, bye bye phone.

And they may, but the effort to steal an iPhone has been increased with this, and the difficulty in recovering a lost (not necessarily stolen) iPhone has been decreased. It's a win for the typical consumer.

Even getting around Activation Lock on a stolen iPhone is probably a lot of hassle unless you know a guy who knows a guy who can unlock it for you

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by josephcsible »

avianlyric wrote: post #131
zootboy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing that requires a microcontroller to be active during power-down to handle the issues you describe: For transit passes and IDs, there need to be non-phone-based ways of handling that issue. It's equally possible to lose / have your phone stolen. Talk to the station agent, or have the police look up your license by name / address. There's no need for a continuously-running microcontroller to read the pow…

> For transit passes It’s interesting, here in the U.K. you have a legal obligation to present a valid ticket upon demand for any train you travel on. Failure to do so for any reason (including my phone died, or I dropped the ticket) is a criminal offence (and I mean criminal , not civil) punishable by a prison sentence. Some ticket conductors at the end of a long shift hearing endless excuses about why someone doesn…

So if while you're on a train, someone steals your paper ticket, you're the one who goes to prison?

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by sgerenser »

Nition wrote: post #194
irjustin wrote: post #191

On a related, note Alarms still work even when the phone is "powered off". I get it because it's saved me once or twice. Nothing serious just reminders for various things. Overall net helpful from my view.

Is that new in iOS 15? They never used to - it was something I missed when switching from the Nokia ecosystem (Symbian/Meego) to iOS. It's nice for turning your phone off at night but still using it as an alarm clock. Edit: Just tested it. Sadly it still doesn't work. iOS 15 on an iPhone SE (2016).

Yeah I’d be really surprised if alarms worked while the phone is powered off.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by fsckboy »

fzzzy wrote: post #179
fsckboy wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

take a screenshot

usually it's a carousel

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by SilverRed »

kgarten wrote: post #210
SilverRed wrote: post #192

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This is sort of more of the same as what I was saying. Android phones have horrible hardware flaws and they don't gain much attention. At the same time as "You are holding it wrong" Nexus 5x phones where bricking due to bad NAND chips. Nexus 6P phones where crashing due to battery issues similar to the iphone but they did not throttle the phone and left it to crash. Samsung had phones that would explode in to firebal…

yes, aggree with you on the hardware. yet, what's new for me is the combination of not caring about security, scanning on your phone (not in the cloud) and implementing a world wide localization network. the road to hell is plastered with good intentions ...

>scanning on your phone (not in the cloud)

The scanning only touches photos which are stored on iCloud. Yes it does it on your phone but the reality is the same on iCloud or Google Photos. Both Apple and Google can push out changes live to every phone without warning, so what they may do in the future doesn't really matter. Only what they claim to be doing now. This is actually a more privacy friendly approach because it would be compatible with encrypted cloud storage.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by Causality1 »

fsckboy wrote: post #149
chewmieser wrote: post #8

Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

Seconded. I get so sick of dismissing that idiotic Android warning whenever I turn my VPN on.
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