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Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by closeparen »

closeparen wrote: post #46
aynyc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You confused remote workers with offshore outsourcing. There is a huge difference.

The point of remote workers is it doesn't make a huge difference where they are.

I would genuinely like to know what you think makes remote workers in the same country so much more effective than remote workers in different countries. And how you explain the constant references to globally distributed teams in the remote-work literature (Basecamp, GitLab) if those are such different things.

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by ChrisRackauckas »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #50
ChrisRackauckas wrote: post #11

A lot of Julia-based companies just hit big Seed A, Seed B, etc. rounds, with a lot more startups entering the space as well. There is a glut of Julia programmers in the industry now given all of this hiring. "Most employable" is hard because no one is in all places, but I can at least tell you that locally there is and will be a lot of hiring in the next few years here.

> locally there is and will be a lot of hiring locally as in in the Silicon Valley? Or did you mean it another way?

The Julia-based companies I know of tend to be more clustered around the upper East Coast (Boston, Canada, New York), though there is some in California.

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by ChrisRackauckas »

nimithryn wrote: post #23
ChrisRackauckas wrote: post #11

A lot of Julia-based companies just hit big Seed A, Seed B, etc. rounds, with a lot more startups entering the space as well. There is a glut of Julia programmers in the industry now given all of this hiring. "Most employable" is hard because no one is in all places, but I can at least tell you that locally there is and will be a lot of hiring in the next few years here.

Examples?

Julia Computing is hiring.

https://juliacomputing.com/careers/

Relational AI is hiring.

https://www.relational.ai/careers

Beacon Biosignals is hiring.

https://beacon.bio/careers

Invenia is hiring.

https://www.invenia.ca/

and I can keep going. There's to cause pleasant competition, so it's a good pool for people to enter (and a good pool for me to find more people for haha).

In julialang.org/slack there's a #jobs channel that gets a lot of posts. https://discourse.julialang.org/c/community/jobs tends to get some (but surprisingly not most) of the posts, and it's more about academic positions (though #academia in the slack tends to be better). And the #julialang Twitter tends to post some jobs around.

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by ChrisRackauckas »

ebb_earl_co wrote: post #45
ChrisRackauckas wrote: post #11

A lot of Julia-based companies just hit big Seed A, Seed B, etc. rounds, with a lot more startups entering the space as well. There is a glut of Julia programmers in the industry now given all of this hiring. "Most employable" is hard because no one is in all places, but I can at least tell you that locally there is and will be a lot of hiring in the next few years here.

Oh, fascinating. Do you have any examples? I'm learning Julia and would be interested in setting goals for working at one of these startups

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Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by goodpoint »

vgeek wrote: post #19

If you step outside of the HN language of the month bubble, you'll see lots of boring companies using languages like PHP and C#. They're not flashy, but they're used everywhere and aren't going anywhere. Sure, they'll be back office type jobs, but they will be stable with good enough benefits and probably won't tolerate rewriting the entire stack in the latest technology every 6 months. Then layer on JS/CSS with whic…

> you'll see lots of boring companies using languages like PHP and C#

Rather, you'll see a lot of companies using tons of C++, C and, to a lesser extent, Java.

A lot of those companies do very serious stuff, like automotive, industrial automation, aerospace, home appliances instead of some "uber for dog walkers".

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by goodpoint »

closeparen wrote: post #32
vgeek wrote: post #19

If you step outside of the HN language of the month bubble, you'll see lots of boring companies using languages like PHP and C#. They're not flashy, but they're used everywhere and aren't going anywhere. Sure, they'll be back office type jobs, but they will be stable with good enough benefits and probably won't tolerate rewriting the entire stack in the latest technology every 6 months. Then layer on JS/CSS with whic…

I wonder. Cost center development work seems most vulnerable to deskilling by low-code/no-code and offshoring through the increasing acceptance of remote work. Using hipster languages can be silly in a lot of ways, but it at least communicates that a company is very developer centric.

The hipster SV startup asking developers to do hackathons on weekends is hardly more developer centric than the traditional company paying a ton of money to a contractor to work 40 hours a week on C++.

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by goodpoint »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #43
mrkramer wrote: post #20

I will summarize what others said and I will add my own thinking as well. Web Development: PHP and Javascript and its ecosystem Mobile Development: Java/Kotlin for Android and Objective-C/Swift for iOS Enterprise software: C++, Java, Rust and Golang Machine Learning, AI and Data Analysis: Python and its ecosystem Embedded: C and Rust Game development: C++ for PC and Game Consoles, Java as well for PC games, Java/Kotl…

You probably should add C++ to embedded. It's used a fair amount, at least on larger processors/projects.

And remove Rust.

Re: Ask HN: Most employable programming languages for 2022 and beyond?

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Post by goodpoint »

People in the replies are confusing language popularity with developer demand.

Reminder: you don't need 10000 jobs. You need one. Aiming for a niche market rather than doing shotgun is a perfectly valid strategy.

Find what fits you.

(random example: if you care exclusively about income and employability, learn COBOL)

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