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Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#41

The modern wisdom, "fake it till you make it", requires you to make it, otherwise you'll pay for lying to us.

This goes way beyond "fake it till you make it" - its not just overhyping tech - its active and deliberate deception in a product where you are playing with peoples lives

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#42

If anyone truly deserves a very long prison sentence it is Elizabeth Holmes. I think we're about to confirm what we've always known and that has been apparent since the start of this case. That rich white people, even if they got their money by taking advantage of others are pretty immune from harsh punishment in the criminal justice system.

Why do you think it's apparent that this case in particular will reaffirm that rich white people "are pretty immune from harsh punishment in the criminal justice system"? I mean I don't argue that the wealthy often escape justice, but why would you think the Theranos case is evidence of that? It's literally at trial right now, which is a very, very bad scenario for Holmes. The vast majority of cases (including ones with a guilty plea) don't go to trial.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#43

The problem is that none of this will work against her defense, that she was not of sane state of mind at the time.

Her actual defense is going to be: "That bad man made me do it"

Cherchez l'homme!

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#44

The problem is that none of this will work against her defense, that she was not of sane state of mind at the time.

Any lawyers here - is the general consensus that she is going to jail for a long time?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#45

The crazy thing about Theranos is that so many people with experience in microfluidics (developed mainly for DNA sequencing although there are other uses) knew that their claims were impossible, technologically speaking. Working with such small volumes to obtain quantitive estimates of blood chemistry is so implausible, as you are introducing uncontrollable variability - micro-evaporation, even tissue localization is…

The problem is that successful startups often start out claiming that which is impossible.

Uber was impossible, because it was illegal.

Amazon was impossible, as you couldn't pack and ship stuff that cheaply.

Personal computers were at one point considered ludicrous.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#46

If you haven't read the book "Bad Blood" by John Carreyrou I think you should give it a try. I think it's really worth it.

And the new podcast that Carreyrou is doing for the most updated info on the evidence and trial, “Bad Blood: The Final Chapter”.

Thanks for this! Just finished listening to the audiobook and was itching for an update by Carreyrou. There's another podcast, The Drop Out: Elizabeth Holmes on Trial that is also covering the trial.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#47

The crazy thing about Theranos is that so many people with experience in microfluidics (developed mainly for DNA sequencing although there are other uses) knew that their claims were impossible, technologically speaking. Working with such small volumes to obtain quantitive estimates of blood chemistry is so implausible, as you are introducing uncontrollable variability - micro-evaporation, even tissue localization is…

I too thought about the counterfactual in which that if their technology actually worked, COVID testing could have been have been done at scale in the US.

Isn't COVID testing being done at scale in many countries right now? I'm in Canada and I can go to a free drive through test station without appointment and get about a 24-hour turnaround on results, and that's been the case for over a year.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#48

The crazy thing about Theranos is that so many people with experience in microfluidics (developed mainly for DNA sequencing although there are other uses) knew that their claims were impossible, technologically speaking. Working with such small volumes to obtain quantitive estimates of blood chemistry is so implausible, as you are introducing uncontrollable variability - micro-evaporation, even tissue localization is…

The problem is that successful startups often start out claiming that which is impossible. Uber was impossible, because it was illegal. Amazon was impossible, as you couldn't pack and ship stuff that cheaply. Personal computers were at one point considered ludicrous.

This is the SV “fake it ‘till you make it” culture. Right now Tesla is delivering “full self driving” cars that require a human driver at all times. Experts have said that it’s not possible using cameras alone, without LiDAR.

Oversell and underdeliver. Fraud works great until it doesn’t.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#49

The crazy thing about Theranos is that so many people with experience in microfluidics (developed mainly for DNA sequencing although there are other uses) knew that their claims were impossible, technologically speaking. Working with such small volumes to obtain quantitive estimates of blood chemistry is so implausible, as you are introducing uncontrollable variability - micro-evaporation, even tissue localization is…

The problem is that successful startups often start out claiming that which is impossible. Uber was impossible, because it was illegal. Amazon was impossible, as you couldn't pack and ship stuff that cheaply. Personal computers were at one point considered ludicrous.

It's not really impossible if you operate on first principle.

Now, it might be harder to distinguish someone who can do it well and who'll do it poorly, but that's another issue.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes urged employees to hide Theranos’ lab equipment from inspectors

#50

The crazy thing about Theranos is that so many people with experience in microfluidics (developed mainly for DNA sequencing although there are other uses) knew that their claims were impossible, technologically speaking. Working with such small volumes to obtain quantitive estimates of blood chemistry is so implausible, as you are introducing uncontrollable variability - micro-evaporation, even tissue localization is…

The problem is that successful startups often start out claiming that which is impossible. Uber was impossible, because it was illegal. Amazon was impossible, as you couldn't pack and ship stuff that cheaply. Personal computers were at one point considered ludicrous.

This is the sort of pseudo-tech BS that she fed everyone. She had Jobs envy and thought his approach would work everywhere.

All those examples (and all of yours) are from computers. Blood tests are different from computers. You cannot assume that, just because great things happened with computers, the same things can happen in all walks of life.

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