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Post by Woden501 »

bildung wrote: post #213
wahern wrote: post #147

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I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

The US has defense agreements with at the very least Taiwan and the Philippines and more distantly Japan. Allowing China to claim the South China Sea would seriously hamper the US' ability to meet the obligations in those treaties. Not to mention that ensuring products produced in that area are able to be shipped through the South China Sea is absolutely essential as is evidenced by the effects of the current chip shortage. If access to TSMC products was suddenly cut off by China it would cause massive issues across the world and especially so in the US.

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Post by count »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #236
Bayart wrote: post #228

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Despite the name and what the CCP wants, the South China Sea is not Chinese. The US maneuvers to keep it international waters, so do we Europeans. The US has every tight to sail however it wants in international waters, so do the Chinese.

If Chinese sent aircraft carriers 20 miles of Los Angeles, I'm pretty sure USA would react very harsh.

The Russians did/do this all the time, although mostly on the East Coast. There wasn't any reaction until they started moving missiles to Cuba though...

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Post by analognoise »

supportlocal4h wrote: post #278
analognoise wrote: post #273

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Have there ever been peaceful communists who ran a country? Add that to the tankies I've met personally and their beliefs, and yeah, communism sucks.

How many times has Cuba invaded the U.S.?

Being too busy repressing their own people to invade anyone is hardly an achievement indicative of peace.

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Post by im3w1l »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #195
blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretendin…

> Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you.

You are tricking them into thinking money spent on stealth is a better gamble than it is (but being a gamble, it might still pay off). That siphons money from other projects.

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Post by anonymousiam »

munk-a wrote: post #41
TheDudeMan wrote: post #28

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Getting pictures deleted from the internet is not a thing. Doesn't matter if you are the president or Zuck.

Precisely, if Mark Zuckerberg could delete pictures from the internet the photo of him wearing sunscreen[1] would never have been allowed to spawn so many memes. 1. https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2021-04/27/2...

He was pretty effective at taking down the Hunter Biden stories right before the election.

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Post by HelloNurse »

Apart from the special interest for TikTok, the article has very carefully misleading wording: there is no actual evidence of military projects, military facilities, military personnel, secrets, and violation of secrets. It is only suggested.

The marked "video viewpoint" looks like a generic parking lot/courtyard, accessible to any visitor; the object could be a radar-only Lockheed experiment, not a next-generation USAF project; the "OPSEC violation" is probably placing guards close to interesting things in the buildings instead of severely bothering visitors at the entrance to keep cameras out.

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Post by InitialLastName »

tremon wrote: post #239
eloisius wrote: post #214

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An increasing desire and capability to export their illiberal practices abroad. For example, using their weight to prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at foreign universities. It’s naive to think that an even more powerful China wouldn’t continue to suppress free speech abroad as much as it does at home.

How is what China does to the Dalai Lama any worse than what the US does to Julian Assange? Isn't it equally naive to assume that an even more powerful USA wouldn't continue to summarily execute people abroad as much as it already does?

> How is what China does to the Dalai Lama any worse than what the US does to Julian Assange?

Among other things, we're allowed to discuss what the US has done with Julian Assange on this here US-based website without much fear of a dawn raid by the FBI over it.

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Post by InitialLastName »

weq wrote: post #218
bhawks wrote: post #197

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I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read. Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though. When was the las…

yeh lol "no first use" as they cut up and sell the body parts of anyone who disagrees with their ideology.

IIRC it's the US allies who do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

count wrote: post #283
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #236

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If Chinese sent aircraft carriers 20 miles of Los Angeles, I'm pretty sure USA would react very harsh.

The Russians did/do this all the time, although mostly on the East Coast. There wasn't any reaction until they started moving missiles to Cuba though...

To cite Kennedy: “Are those Russians crazy? Putting missiles in Cuba is the same as if we put our missiles in Turkey”.

“But Mr. President, we already have our missiles in Turkey”.

Nowadays those missiles are much closer to Moscow than ever before.

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