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Post by hypertele-Xii »

tcmart14 wrote: post #164
bhawks wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China routine threatens US allies with military, even nuclear action. If the US military did not consider China a potential adversary it is not doing its job. Threatening nuclear attack on Japan https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml Border standoff with India https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192872.shtml Threatening Australia with nukes https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234460.shtml

To be fair, I deployed on US Navy ships twice. It is better to think of it as fking with eachother. We tail them for a week or two, they tail us. Russians fly an aircraft over us, we do it over them. I think it is more about showing off than actually threatening. Media only presents this when Russians or Chinese approach us, but not the other way around.

It's literally tribal territorial rattling. All social animals "play fight" to determine who's stronger and thus "entitled" to the best resources.

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Post by Talanes »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #166
slavboj wrote: post #136

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Every large US social media site has employees who are Chinese intelligence assets.

Make sense. Probably Tik-Tok (etc) has employees who are US intelligence assets too, safe to assume seems like. Now I wonder if every large US social media company also has employees who are intelligence assets of US agencies. I'm not going to say 'safe to assume', theoretically America likes to think of itself as having that kind of domestic secret policing, but I wonder.

I feel it's pretty safe to assume. All a US agency needs to gain an "asset" in a tech company is find an employee with the right blend of patriotism and trust in the intelligence agencies.

They might not have full-time undercover spies, but they almost certainly have assets.

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Post by sandworm101 »

crazydoggers wrote: post #185
sandworm101 wrote: post #178

It looks like a radar target. They mount them on sticks out in the desert and fire radar at them to study and tune stealth shapes. They are mounted on single sticks so they can be rotated/tilted to various angles. That's what the single central mount thing is, the 2" thick triangle bit with the two bolt holes. The leading edge of that mount also has a classic curve associated with some radar target mounts. It prevent…

Also found this: https://www.mvg-world.com/fr/products/antenna-measurement/ra... Someone’s going to have the clearance revoked.

Whether a clearance is revoked will depend entirely on the specifics of the object. Maybe it is part of a new stealth fighter program. Maybe it is something for NASA. Maybe it is just a blue sky physics experiment researching an idea about wave propagation over a surface. The fact it is being moved during daylights and isn't covered by a box/tarp tells me it isn't anything too top secret.

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Post by jdavis703 »

Kretinsky wrote: post #124
kbenson wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it's not necessarily the same, but also think that it's bad to have any social media in a top secret context. That said, it's pretty obvious the bias the source has: - "and posted it to the Chinese government-affiliated platform." - "social media platform tied to America’s top adversary" The problem here is people sharing stuff publicly which they are obviously not supposed to. The rest is just theater, even…

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

Military power is roughly equivalent to GDP. Is there any other country that can come close to matching the power of a Chinese economy on war footing?

And other countries, especially those with any sort of rivalry that could turn into a war should be wary of the USA.

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Post by r3trohack3r »

blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you.

If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon.

Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you.

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Post by bhawks »

jackpirate wrote: post #188
bhawks wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China routine threatens US allies with military, even nuclear action. If the US military did not consider China a potential adversary it is not doing its job. Threatening nuclear attack on Japan https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml Border standoff with India https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192872.shtml Threatening Australia with nukes https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234460.shtml

Your link claiming China is threatening a nuclear attack on Japan doesn't even mention nuclear weapons, directly or indirectly. China has a "no first use" policy on it's nuclear weapons, and therefore has publicly committed not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state like Japan. (The US, in contrast, has a policy of allowing first-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.) For details on China's…

I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read.

Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA

Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though.

When was the last time PBS or NPR called for expanding nuclear capabilities 10x? In China it was last year.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml

CCPs no-first-use is just window dressing on the MAD status quo of the world. Perhaps it makes them think they look moral? Their cavalier way of discussing it is disgusting.

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Post by [deleted] »

ncphil wrote: post #161
ChuckMcM wrote: post #14

I am guessing someone is going to lose their clearance. ;-)

Probably not if they're a staff officer or above. Check your damn phone at the gate. What's so hard about that? Having said that, there are way too many secrets out there. Maybe if the system was more open we'd have a fighting chance of cutting off waste, fraud and abuse before it metastasizes into a debilitating nightmare like the LCS. But then, I guess preventing any ebb in the flow of cash into the system is the w…

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Post by TFYS »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #177
publicola1990 wrote: post #163

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But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

China is a state that seems to be more or less incompatible with liberal democracies and has a lot of power. That is the main struggle

The US supports all kinds of non-democratic groups when it benefits them, though. Most likely the reason is just that they don't want to lose any power to China.

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Post by chrischen »

Kretinsky wrote: post #124
kbenson wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it's not necessarily the same, but also think that it's bad to have any social media in a top secret context. That said, it's pretty obvious the bias the source has: - "and posted it to the Chinese government-affiliated platform." - "social media platform tied to America’s top adversary" The problem here is people sharing stuff publicly which they are obviously not supposed to. The rest is just theater, even…

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

China is America's enemy because they are achieving rival status and America can't just walk all over China like they do most South and Central American countries, its allies, etc. The bad stuff China does is just frosting on top for the narrative.
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