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Post by jcampbell1 »

bhawks wrote: post #197
jackpirate wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your link claiming China is threatening a nuclear attack on Japan doesn't even mention nuclear weapons, directly or indirectly. China has a "no first use" policy on it's nuclear weapons, and therefore has publicly committed not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state like Japan. (The US, in contrast, has a policy of allowing first-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.) For details on China's…

I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read. Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though. When was the las…

It is worth asking if China is being practical or paranoid when it comes to shoring up its nuclear arsenal. As an American, I see the US as a democracy with a penchant for electing an unstable leader of the armed forces with a severe personality disorder who casually talks about using nuclear weapons.

Seems like a practical move to make sure they have solid rocket motors and warheads not in storage. That guarantees MAD regardless of who the US elects, thus all generals on both sides will truthfully say any nuclear confrontation is unwinnable.

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Post by BatteryMountain »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

Maybe they can wrap their super-top-secret object in say, a blanket or a tarp...

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Post by bildung »

lugu wrote: post #217
bildung wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

Another European here, but with a different perspective: never seen any mainstream news suggesting US Navy is posing a threat to the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan or Taiwan (or even China). It seems the narative is mostly the same as in the US. Do you have examples of news reporting otherwise ?

Yes the bias is obviously also pro US, anti China, but that has been true since forever. It was the same at the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions of the US, for example.

Nevertheless the facts themselves also tend to get reported, e.g.:

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/politik/welt/206683...

https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Deutsche-Fregatte-wird-auf-...

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Post by mike_d »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #195
blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretendin…

> Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with

What you are "tricking" them is that you are flying over their airspace and they can't do anything about it. Secret projects are kept indoors longer, testing schedules are delayed, effort is put into hairbrained stealth detection tech, etc.

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Post by throwaway210222 »

vkou wrote: post #201
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> China permitting North Korea to develop and possess nuclear weapons is a violation of China's role as a nuclear super power, The same could be said about the US vis-a-vis Israel.

Or France.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/us-secret-assistanc...

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Post by TrackerFF »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

Most likely, that's already the case. This seems like a classic violation of non-electronics/photography zone.

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Post by Bayart »

bildung wrote: post #213
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

Despite the name and what the CCP wants, the South China Sea is not Chinese. The US maneuvers to keep it international waters, so do we Europeans.

The US has every tight to sail however it wants in international waters, so do the Chinese.

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Post by MagnumOpus »

bildung wrote: post #213
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

The illegal land grabs in the South China Sea make China the aggressor.

The US navy presence is a reaction to that, and very welcome by almost all of the states on the coast except China, given that without the promise of US opposition, they would all rapidly become members of the Greater Chinese Coprosperity Sphere like Hong Kong and Macao did.

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Post by disgu »

Kretinsky wrote: post #124
kbenson wrote: post #66

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I agree it's not necessarily the same, but also think that it's bad to have any social media in a top secret context. That said, it's pretty obvious the bias the source has: - "and posted it to the Chinese government-affiliated platform." - "social media platform tied to America’s top adversary" The problem here is people sharing stuff publicly which they are obviously not supposed to. The rest is just theater, even…

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

It's because China is on its way to take the top spot economically while also being powerful enough militarily so that it cannot be touched by the US. The US is trying its best to drag out #1 for as long as possible because much of the US' influence depends on it.
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