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Post by jdavis703 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #193
crazydoggers wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also found this: https://www.mvg-world.com/fr/products/antenna-measurement/ra... Someone’s going to have the clearance revoked.

Whether a clearance is revoked will depend entirely on the specifics of the object. Maybe it is part of a new stealth fighter program. Maybe it is something for NASA. Maybe it is just a blue sky physics experiment researching an idea about wave propagation over a surface. The fact it is being moved during daylights and isn't covered by a box/tarp tells me it isn't anything too top secret.

Exactly, I know lots of people who work on radar for defense contractors. They are unreachable during the day because their cellphones and other electronics are taken away during work hours. Most likely this is not a highly classified project, or if it is someone might be looking at criminal charges.

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Post by bredren »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #195
blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretendin…

This presumes stealth tech is the goal, rather than a higher order tech that makes results of the research-triggering feint strategically immaterial.

For example, I suspect Apple feinted Amazon into chasing voice assistant tech and products, distracting Amazon from more serious matters like ARM-based SoC and AR.

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Post by bildung »

wahern wrote: post #147
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

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As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally.

European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homeland and the South China Sea, I wonder who gave the US a mandate for military manoeuvers near the coast of another country? And how this makes China the aggressor?

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Post by eloisius »

nelsondev wrote: post #207
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #177

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China is a state that seems to be more or less incompatible with liberal democracies and has a lot of power. That is the main struggle

How is China incompatible with liberal democracies? internally of course, the authoritarian politics are incompatible. But in international relations, they’ve traded been trading with liberal democracies for decades. So what’s the incompatibility?

An increasing desire and capability to export their illiberal practices abroad. For example, using their weight to prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at foreign universities. It’s naive to think that an even more powerful China wouldn’t continue to suppress free speech abroad as much as it does at home.

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Post by bildung »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #177
publicola1990 wrote: post #163

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But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

China is a state that seems to be more or less incompatible with liberal democracies and has a lot of power. That is the main struggle

This probably explains the well-known confrontational postion of the US vis-à-vis Saudia Arabia and Bahrain and so on.

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Post by tarsinge »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

Yeah the video is available on Twitter where it’s still up. It’s just an additional opportunity to blame TikTok.

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Post by lugu »

bildung wrote: post #213
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

Another European here, but with a different perspective: never seen any mainstream news suggesting US Navy is posing a threat to the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan or Taiwan (or even China). It seems the narative is mostly the same as in the US. Do you have examples of news reporting otherwise ?

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Post by weq »

bhawks wrote: post #197
jackpirate wrote: post #188

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Your link claiming China is threatening a nuclear attack on Japan doesn't even mention nuclear weapons, directly or indirectly. China has a "no first use" policy on it's nuclear weapons, and therefore has publicly committed not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state like Japan. (The US, in contrast, has a policy of allowing first-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.) For details on China's…

I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read. Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though. When was the las…

yeh lol "no first use" as they cut up and sell the body parts of anyone who disagrees with their ideology.

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Post by analognoise »

nelsondev wrote: post #207
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a state that seems to be more or less incompatible with liberal democracies and has a lot of power. That is the main struggle

How is China incompatible with liberal democracies? internally of course, the authoritarian politics are incompatible. But in international relations, they’ve traded been trading with liberal democracies for decades. So what’s the incompatibility?

Communists don't have a great reputation for peace.

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Post by lugu »

publicola1990 wrote: post #163
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

> Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

Yes, and the same can be said from Chinese state media...

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