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Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Firefox used to have all the extensions I need. There were thousands before and what, a handful now? Firefox jumped the shark years ago, and I loved it from day 1. I use FF/brave but no browsers make me happy any longer. I'd pay good money to have FF back before the bean counters killed it. Now I just see FF as something google pays to make sure barely works so they can point and say there are other browsers.

Are you talking about firefox for mobile? Because the tabs category at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/extensions/ alone currently has 3,027 extensions.

Yes, mobile, apologies, I should not have posted while distracted, it didn't even dawn on me they meant desktop.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Make this happen and I am going to do my best to publicize this. On the other hand, chrome is making it increasingly tough to use any other browser by sheer intuitive and useful features. Grouping tabs for eg. I know other would do it one day. But there is a lag. I wonder why other browsers (OSS) do not straight up copy any good features and release. Assuming there is good enough dev resources. Or is it really that h…

Tab grouping is not a good example. Firefox has the Simple Tab Groups extension, which works with containers. Chrome not only doesn't have containers, but its tab grouping is clunky and featureless in comparison.

For me Chrome's tab grouping is hands down one of the best implementations. Simple, deliberate and under control, and just feels good to use.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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If you don't want to use Firefox (why not?) just use Brave or Edge. Each has its own quirks of course, but it's better than the google cage chrome is. (Undeleteable google cookies? Come on)

Edge's browser session ID is hardware-based and their sync doesn't offer end-to-end encryption for all categories, only a few. The browser itself is probably the best modern browser at least on desktop, but it's sadly not ideal for privacy, to say the least.

Brave and Vivaldi would be the Chromium forks of choice. Both implement a zero knowledge sync system of their own, for example, default to privacy friendly search engines etc.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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If you don't want to use Firefox (why not?) just use Brave or Edge. Each has its own quirks of course, but it's better than the google cage chrome is. (Undeleteable google cookies? Come on)

Edge is just a Microsoft Cage. It is far and away the worst browser from a privacy standpoint: https://brave.com/popular-browsers-first-run/

Sadly also a really damn good product otherwise.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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yeah, people really trust those sites that offer to install something to improve your browser performance and keep you from being tracked.

I heard a Duck Duck Go ad on the radio over the weekend and I thought it was so odd. But now having read your comment I realize it’s probably one of the most “trusted” ways to advertise privacy software/webapps because it relies on potential new users going to their site whereas online ads would probably (rightly) be looked at with suspicion.

I'm in Denmark, recently there have been Duck Duck Go posters at bus stops in my part of Copenhagen.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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I don't understand why this (and all the rest) is not driving people back to Firefox. Are we really going to wait for Mozilla to die, and then lament that Google has taken over the web?

Because they themselves don't deserve it. I need a browser company to focus on making a good application, not focus on telling me what I should see on the web. Mozilla's definitely interested in the latter, but I don't remember the last time they actually introduced something that made me go "huh, that's good". The company are activists hostile to me and mine, seem to build a worse and worse product in and of itself (discounting devs not building for Firefox) and are funded by Google. What's there to like?

The privacy disaster that's new Edge is constantly doing really good UI innovation with powerful but simple features like collapsible sidebars while retaining native UI.

Vivaldi, well, the whole point of the browser is features, and they deliver. They have three different ways to use tab stacks, for heaven's sake. And they do privacy, and aren't interested in telling me what I should see.

Brave, same. Privacy focus, try to build standalone revenue streams. They actually ship new things, if less aggressively in the UI department than Edge or Vivaldi. And they're not interested in telling me what I should see on the web.

I'd gladly use Mozilla, but they have to deserve it first by being genuinely good in terms of attitude and/or product, preferably both, not just being "not Google". By my count, product's getting worse and the attitude is complete garbage.

This rant is also more or less on point: http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.ht...

Google, Microsoft and Apple all push their browsers forward by their external footprint - Google and Microsoft cloud platforms, and all three by being the default.

Brave's building their own platform, Vivaldi a bit of the same, but also just built-in tools in the browser like a simple notetaker and mail/calendar/RSS apps.

Firefox has Pocket, which is good and a good idea, but their userbase is stupidly hostile to ventures like that, the only thing they accept is a pristine FOSS project funded by donations.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Mozilla's main source of revenue has always been the money Google gives them to have Google as the default search engine. They could stop this at any time to effectively kill Mozilla. So, why haven't they? Because there's this case called United States v. Microsoft Corporation that deals with this very issue of browser monopolies. Now usually a lawsuit wouldn't mean dick to Google because they already have a litany o…

I still don't know wtf is Pocket supposed to be doing.

If you bookmark articles, they'll likely eventually go offline or your links will break because websites change and die. This is known as link rot.

There are services, of which Pocket is not the only one, that save you personal hard copies of content so you can have it available offline and keep things even if they're gone. Like a personal Wayback Machine. It's a very sensible thing to integrate into a browser in my opinion, although a lot of the Firefox fanbase, being idiots in love with the idea of FOSS donationware, are hostile to. I used to be one of those idiots.

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Mozilla's main source of revenue has always been the money Google gives them to have Google as the default search engine. They could stop this at any time to effectively kill Mozilla. So, why haven't they? Because there's this case called United States v. Microsoft Corporation that deals with this very issue of browser monopolies. Now usually a lawsuit wouldn't mean dick to Google because they already have a litany o…

>Mozilla's main source of revenue has always been the money Google There was a few years there they got off google in favor of Yahoo Money. Then Yahoo mismanagement imploded that company and back to google they went

There's a possibility that they're going to Bing, in which case they'd truly be a non-Google player. Not a non-Big Tech one, but a real anti-Google system.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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I've always used Chrome but recently I've been trying out Brave and its been quite interesting. I still use chrome, but if they were to remove adblock i'd move for good.

Brave's worth it over Chrome just for having adblock on mobile.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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if you haven't already use Firefox and recognize that this is a fundamental question of freedom and whether you want the internet to be controlled by dystopian corporate advertisement monoliths or institutions that care about your rights. Every time this comes up and 80% of discussions is about whether the tab bar in firefox is flat or three pixels wide instead of five makes me more depressed

Firefox is very actively of the opinion that politically motivated people should decide what I see on the web. When that is their stance, I kindly nope the fuck out.

They are a browser maker, and I don't remember the last time they came out with anything really exciting. Vivaldi and Brave both have, and even Brave's stock Chrome UI has good stuff like a solid tab groups implementation that Firefox just doesn't have. There are extensions, but they just don't work the same.

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